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To: mph who wrote (302606)	4/24/2009 5:32:30 PM
From: longnshort	2 Recommendations Respond to of 793964

"I happen to know a number of grade school teachers. To a person, these people do nothing but bellyache about their jobs, talk about how woebegone they are to have to go to work, and how happy they are when it's spring break, summer vacation, etc. etc. etc." same here and they talk about the money they are making, never about the kids

To: mph who wrote (302606)	4/25/2009 5:14:01 PM
From: Sully-	2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793964

<< "In return, they got security and great benefits, including what amounts to a part time work schedule (at least from my POV.)" >> #1 It is a part time job. Only politicians "work" less time than teachers [and professors]. #2 Their pay is no where near as bad as they will have you believe. Now I respect those dedicated teachers who do work hard & make a difference. IMO, this group is the exceptional few. No matter how you slice it, it's a part time job. The pay is at or above average for an equivalent white collar full time job in the private sector. As an auditor for ED/OIG/OA I spent more than enough time in many different schools in many states. Below is what I witnessed a vast majority of teachers at "work". A typical school day is about 6 1/2 hours in length including all breaks. They have 180 school days with a few "in service" days per year. A typical full time job in the private sector is 8 1/2 hrs long & approx 230 - 240 work days per year. And like the Federal gov't, teachers have plenty of 1/2 days that count as whole "work" days. Plus, there are plenty of assemblies, field trips, recitals, ET AL, that count as "work". In this short 6+ hr work day: - They get a lunch break, - They get a free period, - They monitor a study hall, - They monitor Home Room, - They get time between each period [4 or 5 minutes x 7 or 8 periods a day adds up], - They show movies, documentaries & internet webcasts, ET AL, extensively in class in lieu of actually teaching. I could go on with other non teaching activities in that "work" day, but you get the point. At the end of the work day it's a mad rush for the parking lot [around 2:15 pm]. And from my personal experience most teachers do not take any work home.