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To: Wharf Rat who wrote (109762)	4/24/2009 9:04:30 PM
From: cosmicforce	Respond to of 543331

Torture is ineffective with information compartmentalization. Countries, like Israel, who do it morally are every bit as bad as the ones we don't like. Planning is like magic - a skilled planner make miracles appear to happen with enough advance notice and planning. Information compartmentalization eliminates risk from capture. I didn't make this stuff up - it has been known since Greek or Roman times. Poor planners and the uneducated make mistakes. This is one reason why it is a poor policy to make so many people angry at us. It makes us less secure because it increases the pool of people that dislike us and increases the probability that someone who knows how to create secure plans rises through the ranks.

To: Wharf Rat who wrote (109762)	4/25/2009 11:41:46 AM
From: Bread Upon The Water	Respond to of 543331

The Federal Code, Wharf, under which any prosecution would have to proceed. It doesn't define torture--that left room for the lawyers to get "creative". Its a hormbook principle of law that one shouldn't be forced to "guess" at the meaning of a statute--especially a criminal statute. Even if a Federal prosecutor was able to convince a jury here, I'm saying the lawyers would beat the rap on appeal on the basis the statute is unconstitutionally vague. The remedy for me is to rewrite the statute to specifically outlaw all the the prescribed procedures and to have the congressional record reflect the intent of the statute.