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To: koan who wrote (7595)	4/25/2009 2:51:25 PM
From: Bearcatbob	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 86356

OK, I will address each one of your issues - me too! >> Let's get the non believer side of the GW warming issue on the table: 1. No science can model the system. Wild claims have been repeatedly proven to be false. The alarmists have no credibility. Why are the wild claims made? koan: "BCB, you are not qualified to know what the atmospheric scientists, do or do not know, any more than you know how to build an atomic bomb." BCB: I take it you agree then that the science cannot model the issue. I appreciate your affirmation. 2. Climate change is a historical fact. It has happened before long before the industrial age - why is the cause different now? koan: That is the fallacy often referred to in economics as "post hoc ergo proptor hoc" that is therefore because of this. You are saying two things are connected, but they may not be. BCB: Yeah - they may not be - but they maybe - you want to train wreck the economy on a maybe? 3. GW alarmists viscously try to silent critics. Why? koan: "Viscously is a rather strong word. Inhoff calling global warming the greatest fraud ever prepetrated on mankind is viscous. BCB: Does Imhoff silence opposition. BTW - I agree with him. Again - you affirm my point that GW alarmists suppress alternate thought. GW Stalinists all! But the reason many are alarmed is that global warming could end up killing and displacing millions or billions of people. Like during the permian age." In fact an equation recently published in Newsweek showed it is already to late to stop GW. BCB: Too late - tipping point - that proves you guys are nuts. Train wreck on a maybe and train wreck on a too late. 4. The only meaningful technology that would make a difference - nuclear power - is resisted by GW alarmists. Why? (Solar farms also meet wacko environmentalist resistance.) koan: "if every power plant on earth were nuclear, there is not enough uranium on earth to fuel them all. Secondly, based on the same equation I recently saw in Newsweek, if one nuclear power plant were built each week it would not be enough. BCB: Please tell me any possible way you could do better than a new nuclear power plant a week. That simply proves my point that if it is tip point time - then relax - we are tipped. I would not worry about it. Saying we were tipped would defund to many of the profiteers. 5. EPA regulations require Best Available Control Technology - none exists. How will that be implemented? koan: We probably need a Manhatten project to solve the GW crises. BCB: Again - we are tipped - but the technology does not exist without a Manhattan project. Do you apply any consistency to your self? 6. Any thing we do on a "maybe" will not matter as China and India etc. do not give a flip. Since the tipping point is near - hey - we are going to tip - why commit economic suicide if it does not matter. If we should not be concerned about a near term tipping point - then it is all just a continued lie! koan: China and India are very concerned as they are dying of their own pollution. If you noticed recently copper prices are rising even though copper demand is falling. The reason some speculate, is because China is stockpiling copper for an electrical future. BCB: A stockpiling for an electrical future - are you nuts. How about buying cheap for their stimulus program. And yes - they need to clean up their pollution. It starts with tecnology that works - ESPs, SO2 scrubbers etc. CO2 is not poisoning them. 5. GW alarmists are profiteers. I do not need to ask why? koan: GW alarmists are profiteers? But you don't think the oil or coal companies have a vested interet in this debate?? And not trying to bend the politics their way? Or are they just as pure as a newly driven snow? Unlike scientists. BCB: The best things for oil companies is shortage. In effect you guys are my best friends as you insure higher prices. As a resource stock investor you have a conflict of interest. In your politics you support shortage - in your investing you profit from the shortages you cause. What kind of guy is that? BCB: "Ultimately I believe GW alarmism is a vehicle to implement industrial policy - or some other agenda that I have not yet figured out - perhaps hatred of free market capitalism. The real problem is that those the left claims to care about the most will be hurt the most. However, by impoverishing millions they will justify being reelected to provide compassion. koan: That is a pure flight of fancy. Like you said, you have not figured it out. That thinking is so illogical as to leave me breathless. BCB: No - I have not figured it out. The looney left purports to care for the poor - and then insures their impoverishment. I think you guys are collectively nuts. You want to scare the hell out of people and offer no rational alternatives. Bob