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To: greenspirit who wrote (109841)4/26/2009 11:38:25 AM
From: JohnM  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 541487
 
It's clear, once again, why Kristol's notion of thinking is simply to throw bags of crap at his opponents. No argument here. Just pass on by.



To: greenspirit who wrote (109841)4/26/2009 12:08:04 PM
From: Wharf Rat  Respond to of 541487
 
That's why they call him Hammerhead. He's always Right, but he has never been correct.




To: greenspirit who wrote (109841)4/26/2009 2:09:37 PM
From: Cogito  Respond to of 541487
 
>>Bill Kristol hits the nail on the head with this analysis...<<

GS -

Not surprisingly, I see that Kristol article as more of his usual drivel.

I could sum his point up like this: "They started it, and we are the good guys, how dare Obama say anything bad about what we did?"

Meanwhile, the accusation that the Obama administration is politicizing intelligence is a tough one, coming as it does from people who politicized us right into a completely unnecessary war that has been extremely costly in a number of ways.

- Allen



To: greenspirit who wrote (109841)4/26/2009 2:35:10 PM
From: Mary Cluney  Respond to of 541487
 
<<<Bill Kristol hits the nail on the head with this analysis...>>>

Irving Kristol and Gertrude Himmelfarb were considered intellectuals but their son Bill Kristol however is an intellectual weakling.

Here is the controversy in a nutshell.

We have laws against torture. We have agreed to International prohibitions against torture.

Torture has been committed on our behalf after 911.

What we have to do from here on is debatable.

Obama is personally against torture but he has no stomach to go after people responsible for allowing torture to have taken place over the last 4 or 5 years. He is sitting between a rock and the hard place.

However, the intellectually weak Bill Kristol is still trying to argue that torture works. He argues it helped to save lives. He is in effect arguing that torture is okay if we do it.

What a weak intellectual argument.