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To: tejek who wrote (475115)	4/26/2009 2:03:32 PM
From: i-node	2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1574260

Uh.....we knew about the terrorist plot in LA before KSM was even arrested. The Bush administration lied again. Why are you so gullible that you continue to believe all the lies fed to you by Bush? Seriously, what is wrong with you? This, from a childlike commentator who didn't know who KSM was 6 months ago. Simple truth is you have to credibility to comment on the subject. At all. That said, Noah's column, from which this claim of yours extends, is entirely naive, erroneous, and logically flawed. What Fran Townsend said in February '06 was that a "key cell leader" (Marsan bin Arshad) in the Library Tower plan had been arrested in February '02. On this basis, Noah claims the Library Tower plot was foiled in February '02. However, bin Arshad's capture did NOT result in taking down the cell planning to attack the Library Tower. As of KSM's interrogation, almost the entire cell was still free and operational. In fact, the plot was broken AFTER KSM's interrogation and the the capture of Majid Khan (also in March, 2003). With the two of them being interrogated, the disclosures by each detainee were used in further interrogation of the other -- the result was capture of the "Guraba Cell" which was planning to carry out the so-called West Coast plot. These 18 individuals were captured as a direct result of information provided by KSM after his waterboarding. There is much more to this story, but you have not bothered to educate yourself, preferring instead to post ignorant, uninformed crap on this thread. Had you read a book in the last six years, you might know something about it.

To: tejek who wrote (475115)	4/26/2009 6:29:15 PM
From: Brumar89	1 Recommendation Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1574260

A little hurt on killers got big info By Deroy Murdock Saturday, April 25, 2009 - Added 1d 20h ago E-mail Printable (3) Comments Text size Share (0) Rate Library Tower looms 73 stories above Los Angeles. But the Pacific Coast’s highest skyscraper could have become a smoldering pile of steel beams had CIA interrogators not waterboarded Khalid Sheik Mohammed (KSM) 183 times in March 2003, as declassified memoranda reveal. Americans should be proud that our public servants had the patience and persistence to pressure al-Qaeda’s self-described military chief until he cracked, ratted out his homicidal conspirators, and prevented a bloody attack that could have transformed downtown L.A. into Ground Zero West. The hardcore hand-wringing among soft-headed liberals over these so-called “torture memos” ignores the fact that these tactics squeezed priceless intelligence from KSM and al-Qaeda’s Abu Zubaydah (waterboarded 83 times in August 2002). Tough stuff? You bet. But nowhere as nasty as what these Islamofascist killers had up their sleeves. As former George W. Bush speechwriter Marc Thiessen explained in Tuesday’s Washington Post, a May 2005 Justice Department memo states: “Before the CIA used enhanced (interrogation) techniques . . . KSM resisted giving any answers to questions about future attacks, simply noting, ‘Soon you will find out.’ ” Waterboarding finally loosened KSM’s lips. This uncovered a KSM plot to use East Asian operatives to crash a hijacked plane into the 1,018-feet-tall Library Tower. KSM’s confessions, the memo says, prompted “the discovery of the Guraba Cell, a 17-member Jemmah Islamiyah cell tasked with executing the ‘Second Wave.’ ” “(I)nformation obtained from KSM also led to the capture of Riduan bin Isomuddin, better known as Hambali,” the memo continues. Hambali supervised October 2002’s Bali nightclub bombings that shredded 202 vacationers and wounded 209 others. Rough questioning inspired KSM to identify Iyman Faris. He was convicted of plotting to sever the Brooklyn Bridge’s cables with torches so it would crumble into the East River. KSM also fingered 9/11 collaborator Yazid Sufaat. Zubaydah, a top al-Qaeda catch, initially clammed up, but waterboarding made him sing. He squealed on USS Cole bomber Rahim al-Nashiri, 9/11 conspirator Ramzi bin al-Shibh and KSM - helping snare all three. Justice’s memo concludes, “The CIA believes ‘the intelligence acquired from these interrogations has been a key reason why al-Qaeda has failed to launch a spectacular attack in the West since September 11, 2001.’ ” Zubaydah explains why enhanced interrogation works: “Brothers who are captured and interrogated are permitted by Allah to provide information when they believe they have reached the limit of their ability to withhold it in the face of psychological and physical hardship.” Meanwhile, the ceaseless whimpering over KSM’s waterboarding almost universally neglects his victims’ agony. KSM masterminded the 9/11 massacre (2,976 dead, 7,356 wounded). Thus, my eyes stayed as dry as the Sahara upon learning that American counterterrorists dampened KSM’s nostrils 183 times. I cry for the 2,976 individuals who KSM, Zubaydah, and their colleagues slaughtered on 9/11. Of the 2,752 they butchered at the World Trade Center, 1,125 (41 percent) that were literally vaporized. Their loved ones still do not have so much as bone fragments to bury, nor place flowers upon, nor shed tears. Now that is torture. bostonherald.com