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To: GST who wrote (199228)	4/30/2009 2:03:31 PM
From: Bank Holding Company	Respond to of 306849

rock on!

To: GST who wrote (199228)	4/30/2009 3:39:32 PM
From: kikogrey	Respond to of 306849

Not only is our health 'insurance' system a joke, our total lack of a comprehensive disaster plan is equally unbelievable, being as we think we are the greatest country on earth. Fortunately this swine flu doesn't appear too virulent (although it sounds like the mutation to make it so wouldn't emerge until next fall/winter flu season.) However, if it were super virulent, virtually everyone would be SOL, even the so-called 'insured.' I find it disingenuous that news commentators are trying to paint the deaths in Mexico as lack of or late entry into the medical system. Most people do not seek or need medical attention for influenza as it's a virus and doesn't respond to antibiotics. Sure, there's the tamiflu theory but it needs to be taken early, is contraindicated in many patients and who knows if it will even be effective. Would you want to wait hours in a line with body aches, fever etc to get tamiflu anyway? Regular influenza is usually only fatal to the very young and elderly or those with compromised immunity. Now some patients could theoretically be saved if they were put on a ventilatior--ask yourself this--how many ICU beds does your nearest hospital have? 20, 30, 40? Will this serve your population that may run well into the hundreds of thousands? How many ventilators does your hospital have? Bottom line health care delivery in this country is woefully inadequate just numbers wise to weather any type of large disaster. We lack beds, equipment, physicians, pharmacists, nurses and ancillary support systems. Who would have been more important to our country's future--some guy scheming up derivative trades or somebody in medical school who would go into a primary care specialty? Obviously our government has decided that it's more important to support Wall street than our medical infrastructure.

To: GST who wrote (199228)	4/30/2009 5:29:45 PM
From: Skeeter Bug	Respond to of 306849

it isn't a smoke screen to a bankrupted teenager who will star down the face of $23 trillion in debt within 10 years - foisted upon them by the same people that want them to subsidize their health care, too. it is easy to get all moral and all when someone else is footing most of the bill. especially when the debt we've already heaped on them is beyond immoral. to argue enslaving the next generation, more than we already have, is somehow moral is to use a moral end (health care for all) to justify an immoral means (enslaving others to pay for one's healthcare). i have yet to hear someone state, "i want universal healthcare and i want to make sure i pay my portion." inherent in the discussion is how to screw the next generation the same way we've screwed them up until now. why don't you ante up, say $9600 a year for every year you are over 18, to get this program started. after all, that is exactly what you want to do to the current generation of 18 year olds, right? if you are 40, you can write that ~$400k check to the federal government and label it as "for universal healthcare". the moral thing to do is pay for the services rendered when it is possible to do so. the immoral thing to do is tax an 18 year old making $10/hr to fund bill gates' and warren buffett's and the local millionaire realtors healthcare. i realize this won't be popular on this thread as most aren't 18 and most will take from others under a universal healthcare system. but right is right and we've flogged the next generation enough. ps - did anyone under 30 recommend GST's post or just the people who will benefit from further enslaving 18 years olds? pss - these attitudes are exactly what created social security in the first place - a gimme grab back for the current generation at the expense of future generations. psss - i DO NOT support the status quo, either.

To: GST who wrote (199228)	4/30/2009 5:51:10 PM
From: SteveinTX	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 306849

Granted, caring for the most vulnerable in our society is wonderfully appealing (who would say "no" to "would you watch your parents die for lack of care?"), but to be perfectly honest, as a parent of seven children, I would easily rather die from lack of care than enslave my kids in socialism. There are worse things than dying.

To: GST who wrote (199228)	5/1/2009 12:52:22 AM
From: energyplay	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 306849

1 > The Fire and Police departments don't cost anywhere near as much as health care. Even if health care cost come down to 6% of GDP from the current 13%, that's still a lot of money. 2 > Why do most of the health care want to restrict MY options to participate or not, or pay specifically for what I want ? Lots of reasons, among those they want to force me to pay for someone else's care while rationing what I can get to control costs.