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To: TimF who wrote (64498)5/6/2009 3:54:58 PM
From: TimF1 Recommendation  Respond to of 224755
 
Regime Uncertainty During The Great Depression
April 12, 2009

by Mario Rizzo

The destabilizing “regime uncertainty” that has been analyzed by the economist Robert Higgs was already seen after the first few years of FDR’s administration by one of its most influential members, Raymond Moley.

He had been an economic advisor to Governor Alfred E. Smith of New York. He was a conservative Democrat who quit the administration in mid-1936 because he thought it was moving too far to the left.

What Roosevelt and others saw as an “experimental” or “pragmatic” turn was, in reality, a confusing and destabilizing mix of ill thought-out policies and rhetoric.

The following is an excerpt from Raymond Moley’s book, After Seven Years, published in 1939:

“The hitch came with Roosevelt’s failure to follow through. Pragmatism requires the application of the test of utility or workableness or success. And by this Roosevelt refused to abide. He would launch an idea as an experiment, but, once it had been launched, he would not subject it to the pragmatic test. It became, in his mind, an expression of settled conviction, an indispensable element in a great, unified plan.

That Roosevelt could look back over the vast aggregation of policies adopted between March, 1933, and November, 1936, and see it as the result of a single, predetermined plan was a tribute to his imagination.

But not to his grasp of economics. One had only to review the heterogeneous origins of the policies he had embraced by the time of his reelection, the varying circumstances, impulses, beliefs that had produced them, to guess at their substantive conflict and contradiction.” (pp. 365-66)

……..

“Underlying these and a host of other incongruities were two misapprehensions which were basic.

The first centered in a failure to understand what is called, for lack of a better term, business confidence.

Confidence consists, on the one side, of belief in the prospect of profits and, on the other, in the willingness to take risks, to venture money. In Harry Scherman brilliant essay on economic life, The Promises Men Live By, the term is, by implication, defined much as Gladstone defined credit. “Credit,” Gladstone said, “is suspicion asleep.”

In that sense, confidence is the existence of that mutual faith and good will which encourage enterprises to expand and take risks, which encourage individual savings to flow into investments. And in an age of increasing governmental interposition in industrial operations and in the processes of capital accumulation and investment, the maintenance of confidence presupposes both a general understanding of the direction in which legislative and administrative changes tend and a general belief in government’s sympathetic desire to encourage the development of those investment opportunities whose successful exploitation is a sine qua non for a rising standard of living.

This, Roosevelt refused to recognize. In fact, the term “confidence” became, as time went on, the most irritating of all symbols to him. He had the habit of repelling the suggestion that he was impairing confidence by answering that he was restoring the confidence the public had lost in business leadership. No one could deny that, to a degree, this was true. The shortsightedness, selfishness, and downright dishonesty of some business leaders had seriously damaged confidence. Roosevelt’s assurances that he intended to cleanse and rehabilitate our economic system did act as a restorative.


But beyond that, what had been done? For one thing, the confusion of the administration’s utility, shipping, railroad, and housing policies had discouraged the small individual investor. For another, the administration’s taxes on corporate surpluses and capital gains, suggesting, as they did, the belief that a recovery based upon capital investment is unsound, discouraged the expansion of producers’ capital equipment.

For another, the administration’s occasional suggestions that perhaps there was no hope for the reemployment of people except by a share-the-work program struck at a basic assumption in the enterpriser’s philosophy. For another, the administration’s failure to see the narrow margin of profit on which business success rests–a failure expressed in an emphasis upon prices while the effects of increases in operating costs were overlooked–laid a heavy hand upon business prospects. For another, the calling of names in political speeches and the vague, veiled threats of punitive action all tore the fragile texture of credit and confidence upon which the very existence of business depends.

The eternal problem of language obtruded itself at this point. To the businessman words have fairly exact descriptive meanings. The blithe announcement by a New Deal subordinate that perhaps we have a productive capacity in excess of our capacity to consume and that perhaps new fields for the employment of capital and labor no longer exist will terrify the businessman. To the politician, such an extravagant use of language is important only in terms of its appeal to the prejudices and preconceptions of a swirling, changeable, indeterminate audience.

To the businessman two and two make four; to the politician two and two make four only if the public can be made to believe it. If the public decides to add it up to three, the politician adjusts his adding machine. In the businessman’s literal cosmos, green results from mixing yellow and blue. The politician is concerned with the light in which the mixture is to be seen, the condition of the eyes of those who look.

Mutual misunderstanding and mutual ill will were, of course, unavoidable in the circumstances, and the ultimate result was a wholly needless contraction of business–a contraction whose essential nature was so little understood that it was denounced in high governmental quarters as a “strike of capital” and explained as a deliberate attempt by business to “sabotage” recovery.” (pp. 370 -372)

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To: TimF who wrote (64498)5/6/2009 5:02:41 PM
From: Steve Lokness  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 224755
 
Tim;

Attempting to stimulate the economy with monetary and fiscal policy is hubris.
Well I didn't get past the first sentence. I'm not arguing that we do this to stimulate the economy. If we are to discuss this you have to understand that basic point. I'm saying we do this because we are going to do something - that is the nature of society. If you think conservatives would do nothing, then you are living a a fairy land. Remember all this TARP stuff was started under Paulson/Bush. If that doesn't work for you think of the conservative response to 9-11. Huge huge HUGE expense and debt as we went into Iraq. Don't get sidetracked arguing about the war - just understand that societies do things in response to adversity. Look at what we did in response to the flu.

Sooo, back to my argument. Not trying to be stimulative but trying to get the best bang for my buck - my tax payer buck. You want to pay people to stay home (since that is what we are going to do), I would rather try to get something out of these people that are out of work. Not to stimulate the economy - because I don't know if that will work - but to help them and get something in return.

None of that stimulus money has hit the street yet - but the jobs are still disappearing at an almost unbelieveable rate. How in the world do we get them back? Not in housing. Not in commercial construction. Not in autos. Most the rest of the stuff is made in China. Were are they getting jobs Tim? WHERE?

This time it is different. It is different because of Bush and Greenspan. During good times interest rates are suppose to go up - but these morons decided to try this new experiment. It didn't work. Usually in the old days as the economy turned sour, interest rates dropped and we started building houses again which stimul;ated the economy. You want to stimulate the economy again with more houses?

Good luck with that!
steve