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To: TimF who wrote (110893)	5/7/2009 5:37:14 PM
From: Sam	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541572

Not bull its the truth. You had reasonably large deficits and projections of yet larger ones until after the Republicans took over congress. Tim, you need to read actual history. Republicans screamed bloody murder about the tax increases that Clinton and Democrats pushed through to address those deficits (and they really went out of control only after 12 years of Republicans controlling the White House), and one of the important reasons that Republicans won Congressional majorities in Congress in '94 was that they ran against those tax increases. Clinton and Democrats, they said on the floor of Congress and elsewhere, was dooming the country to a depression. And one of the important reason Bush41 lost in '92 was him backing a tax increase (along the other important reason that Perot ran and split the Republican vote). That is the essence of Reagan Republicans: they have never seen a tax increase that they liked, and have never seen a tax decrease that they didn't like--no matter what the consequences. Our exploding deficit and debt is one of those consequences that they happily ignore. Well, correct that--actually they like that debt because it hampers the ability of government to enact any new programs and service the ones that already exist. And you call that "responsible," lol. The "Starve the Government" philosophy which was one of the centerpieces of the Reagan administration. And if you still want to ascribe fiscal virtue to Republicans, then you need to explain why we were on the way to actually paying down the debt when Bush took over, and why the debt and the deficit went out of control when the both Congress and the Executive branch were controlled by Republicans, who notoriously didn't allow the Democrats to say word about what happened in Congress when they were the majority and Democrats were the minority. Yeah, I know, Bush wasn't really a Republican. Don't you see the crazy contortions you go through to defend that amazingly irresponsible bunch of .....

To: TimF who wrote (110893)	5/7/2009 5:56:14 PM
From: Steve Lokness	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541572

Stand on your head Tim ........and then this chart might seem to support the crazy suggestion that it is somehow republicans who have provided a balanced budget. newsnshit.com You can claim all you want that republicans are the deficit hawks, the numbers just do not, in any way you spin them, support that notion.

To: TimF who wrote (110893)	5/7/2009 6:13:39 PM
From: Steve Lokness	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541572

Tim: but that's largely Clinton being lucky enough to be in a post cold war situation that allowed for large reductions You don't get to claim this if you also suggest 9-11 is somehow Clintons responsibility? He was elected president right after a recession had ended And the timing was similar for Bush. Again you see one but not the other. The decrease in military spending was indirectly a result of Republican decisions. Oh bull again. WE now spend as much as the rst of the world combined. "Beware the military industrial complex" warned Eisnehower. Reasons that didn't have much to do with either party (such as the tech bubble), And again you see it under one president but not another. You think there wasn't a housing bubble under Bush? Yikes! Way more of a bubble with the resultant taxes on profit than any bubble in America's history. And yet look at the chart. Republicans (preventing new programs and other forms of spending increases that Clinton had originally pushed) And yet again you see it under one administration and not the other. Okay, Clinton had some divided government - what's the excuse under Bush when for 6 years he had control like no president before him.