To: koan who wrote (202542 ) 5/15/2009 8:31:07 PM From: alanrs Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 306849 Krugman is not my favorite economist. I think the underlying point, without typing far more than I care to to justify it, is that the last depression had to do with massive imbalances introduced into the economy. A lot of time and effort has gone into trying to explain why, and what worked and what didn't. Not being a student of 1900-1950 history I am reluctant to make any firm statements about any of the theories I have read, except to say that none of them seem convincing. Further, it's easy to look back and point to protectionist policies and trade wars or a slow fiscal response (for instance) and assume that it was a matter of people back then being stupid or ill informed, whereas we are much smarter and would never make those silly mistakes now. After all, hind sight is 20/20. Or maybe it's 10/200. The example of Japan for the last 20 years and counting would lead me to believe that hindsight is indeed something less than 20/20. Or that people are no smarter now than they were back in the mid 1900's. Or that there are political reasons (the art of the possible) to do apparently stupid things in the face of impending disaster. Or that all the screwing around with this, that, and the other program is just that, screwing around (sound and fury, signifying nothing). This screwing around could serve the purpose of giving people something to do until some exogenous event (war, disease, famine, whatever) knocks the last bits of stuffing out of the economy and there is no choice but to rebuild along more sustainable lines (until the next time). Or it could provide cover for rich people to stay rich (not that there's anything wrong with that). I seems to me that in our current situation, a lot of rich people lost a lot of money and they don't wanna. Blame all around, stupid something for nothing house buyers, easily purchased politicians, etc. It seems to me that all the programs being launched primarily (or only) address the 'they don't wanna'. I'm tired of typing. I read a book by Gore Vidal (not my favorite author), "Julian", a long time ago. It seems to apply to a lot of what I see going on generally. We seem to be in a box. Save the banks, kill the homeowner or fixed income crowd. Prop up property values, kill would be first time buyers. Steal from senior debt holders in favor of UAW pensions, harm pensions of various groups invested in that senior debt. bankrupt the banks, wipe out existing shareholders, convert debt to equity and piss off China and others we desperately need to keep lending us money. I could go on. This will not end well. ARS Edit Julian spends a lot of time at the end of the book obsessing about cow entrails.