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To: combjelly who wrote (481529)	5/17/2009 3:02:22 PM
From: i-node	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575354

You leave out the part where he said he couldn't vouch for the veracity of those records He said nothing of the sort. His exact quotes were as follow: "Our contemporaneous records from September 2002 indicate that CIA officers briefed truthfully on the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, describing 'the enhanced techniques that had been employed.' Ultimately, it is up to Congress to evaluate all the evidence and reach its own conclusions about what happened," he wrote. He didn't say he "couldn't vouch for the veracity" of the records. In fact, what he said is 180 degrees opposite: "Our contemporaneous records ..." When the term "contemporaneous" is used, implicit in that word is that it was documentation from the time of the briefing, which is the best available evidence. Now, he is right, of course, that ultimately, it is the Congress and not the CIA which will draw the conclusions. That's just a statement of fact. But this remark IN NO WAY questions the veracity of the "contemporaneous" record, which has to be deemed correct in the absence of something more compelling.

To: combjelly who wrote (481529)	5/17/2009 3:04:10 PM
From: i-node	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575354

Only then do we find out that instead of lasting a few seconds to a minute or two tops, that waterboarding consists of multiple cases of a few seconds to a minute or two. A "pour" never lasts more than 40 seconds. I thought I explained that to you.

To: combjelly who wrote (481529)	5/17/2009 3:11:13 PM
From: i-node	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1575354

Are you claiming that Lawrence Wilkerson is lying? Based on what, exactly? There is no evidence to suggest he is telling the truth, and doubts have been raised: Wilkerson’s facts do not add up. Al Libi’s original testimony regarding Iraq-al Qaeda links occurred months before Wilkerson says waterboarding was used to get this admission out of him. We know this because the DIA filed a report saying that it did not trust al Libi’s testimony regarding the training of al Qaeda operatives in Iraq in February 2002 -– two months before Wilkerson says the Bush administration authorized the Egyptians to use harsh interrogation methods on al Libi. So, when Wilkerson writes that “the [Bush] administration authorized [the] harsh interrogation [of al Libi] in April and May of 2002” and al Libi “had not revealed any al Qa’ida-Baghdad contacts” until then, he is clearly wrong. Al Libi, according to the DIA, first discussed this putative tie between the Iraqi regime and al Qaeda before Wilkerson says that harsh interrogation techniques were authorized by Vice President Cheney. -- Thomas Joscelyn