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To: Terry Maloney who wrote (386660)5/19/2009 6:21:22 PM
From: Broken_Clock  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 436258
 
Dems are taking the ownership society of GWB beyond the limits. -g-

Senate Dems to Block Funding for Gitmo Closure
Republicans Seek Amendment to Ensure Detainees Never See Trial in US
by Jason Ditz, May 19, 2009

Earlier this month, Congressional Democrats pulled funding from the “emergency” war funding bill which was to be used in the Obama Administration’s pledge to close the detention center at Guantanamo Bay. Today, a top Democratic official revealed that the Senate Democrats will block funding for the Guantanamo closing going forward.

President Obama’s pledge to close the facility has been put into serious doubt by his declaration last week that he was going to restart the military tribunals, which he had previously ordered halted pending the facility’s closure.

The administration has yet to provide a plan to Congress for the closure of the facility, and it is speculated that the Senate may reconsider funding if it approves of a future plan. At the same time, Republicans are pushing an amendment which would bar the 241 detainees from ever seeing trial on American soil.

Senator Mitch McConnell (R - KY) says he believes “shuttering this facility now could only serve one end: and that is to make Americans less safe than Guantanamo has.” Republicans have been quite encouraged by the administration’s willingness to go back on its previous promises of change and transparency, they will likely have another reason to take heart, as one more promise goes unfulfilled.



To: Terry Maloney who wrote (386660)5/19/2009 6:22:55 PM
From: Broken_Clock  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 436258
 
U pick 'em. -g-

Obama Mulls ‘Indefinite Detention’ Without Trial for Detainees
Gitmo Detainees May Spend Life in Prison Without a Trial
by Jason Ditz, May 14, 2009

With the announcement that President Obama is going to restart the military tribunal system at Guantanamo Bay, it is now also being reported that the administration is floating in Congress the idea of holding some of the detainees on American soil, indefinitely and without trial.

For many of the detainees which have spent years in US-run overseas facilities without trial will wind up spending the rest of their lives on American soil but without any recourse to the American legal system. The legal rational for what is at its core a system of extralegal detention lies in something that has been discussed for quite a while: a system of National Security Courts.

The courts, which would try detainees without many of the legal protections afforded in criminal courts, would basically be empowered to give the appearance of some level of judicial oversight over the detentions. Senator Lindsey Graham is wondering “how do you hold someone in prison without a trial indefinitely?” The answer for the Obama Administration appears to be that if no legal rational exists, they’ll create one.



To: Terry Maloney who wrote (386660)5/21/2009 11:12:53 AM
From: Trumptown1 Recommendation  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 436258
 
was just some market stuff...

...as far as O goes, as with the rest of em, he's doing a fine job of speaking out both sides of his mouth...