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Politics : The Environmentalist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: koan who wrote (24609)	5/20/2009 4:56:31 PM
From: average joe	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36917

We evolved for millions of years living in tribal groups of probably about 40 individuals and did a lot of fighting with each other and the tribe was ruled by a few leaders or leader whom everyone had to obey. "Civilization is the progress toward a society of privacy. The savage's whole existence is public, ruled by the laws of his tribe. Civilization is the process of setting man free from men." Ayn Rand

To: koan who wrote (24609)	5/20/2009 6:51:55 PM
From: Maurice Winn	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36917

That's because you were robbing taxpayers - slave drivers didn't care abouty their slaves either. You can't see it, but you are no better, and contemptuous of those who actually produce the value for which you have such disregard: <I give tons of money to people beside my taxes. Money never meant much to me. > It meant enough to you to make sure you got lots of it from your tax paying serfs. "Money? Pftt... it's nothing. I have all I need and tons more from my herd of yokels who have to pay me what I demand". You said you have pattern recognition, not logic, so you are obviously wrong here: <IMO, your logic is disorganized. Here is my logic: > Or perhaps you mean that you the wondrous have logic, but the yokel serfs you rob do not. I already told you, but religious cranks are NOT all ears: <You know a better system, then tell me, as I am all ears! > You were unable to bring any logic to bear, just simple unreasoning, unthinking, Denialism. Mqurice

To: koan who wrote (24609)	5/21/2009 1:07:02 PM
From: R2O	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 36917

IMO, your logic is disorganized. My 'logic' simply asked the question: Why, when asked to vote on more taxes, you do not also write a check. I, in my disorganized manner, have no need to invoke thousands of years of human history. A history, of course, that involves almost no data about individual actions, but rather the actions of groups. So, again, How do you justify NOT writing a check to cover your part of the new taxes? You want the new taxes. You have TOTAL control of your checkbook. Make use of it to change the world. No need to depend on us folks who do NOT want new taxes. Democracy does not forbid individual action. Why, wanting the new taxes, would you rather give money to other causes and not write a check to your government? That you give tons of money to people beside (your) taxes. is no answer. Why don't you pay for new taxes that you want? Maybe you have some feeling that you can spend your 'tons of money' better than the government? Else why not just send them your 'tons of money'? Next time you feel the desire to give 'tons of money to people' just write the check to cover the last tax increase that failed. Better yet, just don't designate the use, just send the 'tons of money' to your favorite government agency! RE ears: I, of course, am quite happy not to be 'all ears'. Ears have no logic. Surely, the din of all those voices must confuse you. koan: The manner in which I live my life is my most important concern and that means being as kind, honest and generous as I can be. And I rasied my two duagters to be the same way and am proud to say they are also kind and generous. The only thing I never allowed at all were racism, sexism and other types of bad behavior like cruety to animals. Totally in agreement. I refuse to take things from the unwilling even when I think my use is on a higher plane. I find that I can be more generous if I can write checks to individuals (from my accounts) rather than pay taxes. But that may just be because my checking account has a limited balance. When your trust fund runs out, you will know what I mean. R2O