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To: Dan3 who wrote (203331)	5/21/2009 8:18:06 AM
From: Poet	Respond to of 306849

Your point about what's happened to "fair use" is apt. My family subscribes to both the NYT (still the gold standard of newspaper writing, regardless of what the right wing troglodytes complain about) and our local paper. I also read a number of aggregating sites online. Ethically it seems the right thing to do until a workable model for internet news sites-- the way things will ultimately lead-- is developed.

To: Dan3 who wrote (203331)	5/21/2009 9:35:53 AM
From: MulhollandDrive	Respond to of 306849

you're right... it makes no sense. if a newspaper has to rely on people with attitudes like yours, the business model is broken what the online versions of the deadtree media should be doing is charging for their content....question is who is willing to pay for the content? if they are more than happy to 'give it away' with the exception of yourself, the majority of people are willing to accept it.... the truth is their income is derived from 3 sources, newstand sales, subscriptions, and advertising in a recession/depression all three are seriously hampered, but any publication that relies heavily on ad revenue will be hurt the most... people will pay for online content if it is perceived as value added...so yeah, there is some risk...your subscribers have to believe the content is worth paying for for example, i pay a monthly fee for tickerforum even though the site is 'free', denniger offers certain posting privileges and access to his daily technical analysis which i consider to be worth paying for...contrast to SI which allows me to post and have full access (with a few minor exceptions like 'advanced search')for free... so if SI management chooses to offer to 'grandfathered' participants free access, well yeah, i'll take it...you may feel better by 'contributing' to your newspapers of choice by subscribing to the dead tree version, but as long as they offer the same content online for free, the newspaper model is broke i also don't have a problem with subscribing to cook's illustrated and consumer reports and a couple of other financial newswriters.... the reason should be obvious steve jobs was able to find a way to monetize music content online by creating a mechanism (itunes) to distribute the content at an acceptable price....but even he wouldn't have been able to do that without creating a product and format that people wanted...a situation that i do not see newspapers able to replicate (their best hope is the success of kindle) Amazon is charging users $14 (R120) a month for a Kindle subscription to the New York Times which can otherwise be read for free, and with a lot more bells and whistles, on the open internet. businessday.co.za news consumers are being conditioned to expect it for free, and the newspapers who give it away (relying on ad revenue) won't be long for this world, imo i won't even get into the argument about the nonsensical, archaic mode of wasting precious natural resources , trees and energy...to manufacture a product that can be produced digitally