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To: tejek who wrote (482449)	5/21/2009 11:34:52 AM
From: longnshort	Respond to of 1577829

Read the US Constitution. We shouldn't have any gun control

To: tejek who wrote (482449)	5/21/2009 11:57:35 AM
From: one_less	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1577829

Your argument was that a high murder rate is cause and effect support for the 2nd amendment, which is not true. "Yup, Ten, the gun had nothing to do with it. We have the highest murder rate of any first world nation because Americans are just bad people." There are more than one obvious flaws in that statement. >Murders are committed by people who are Americans but that doesn't mean American's are bad people, nor is your conclusion correct that it is because of the availability of guns. Murderers are a sub-population of their culture whether Americans or other cultures. Americans are not a sub-population of Murderers. > The gun had something to do with it. The assailant used a gun. The assailant could have used anything from his fists to a lead pipe but he used a gun. Assaults still occur in the absence of guns, however, as I demonstrated with the rape/assault statistic, which is the highest in the world and unrelated to guns. > Guns are more often associated with protection from criminal activity than they are with perpetration of crime, except of course when addressing gun related crime statistics. > If you can show the influence of gun possession on the rate of crime your argument has some merit but you have not. We know for example that mental impairment caused by drug/alcohol drunkenness has an effect on judgement and consequently an impact on whether or not crimes are committed. However, there is nothing to show gun possession has that same effect. Yet, the position of your extreme left lobby is to decriminalize alcohol and drug possession, and criminalize gun possession. Fix that problem and you may have some credibility.