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To: Peter V who wrote (203425)	5/21/2009 12:52:52 PM
From: Skeeter Bug	Respond to of 306849

Peter, there is no doubt that a fat pension for some teachers could be considered under payment. it sounds like you have one of those teachers. you can't make policy based on the "michael jordan" effect. you can't pay retirements based on everyone having "michael jordan" skills. we keep dumping more and more money to unions and we don't get a substantial return, on average. it costs CA ~$40k per year per inmate - FL does it for $18k. CA get sued for treating prisoners badly and FL doesn't. oh, and the unions want more! they are too good to be affected by a collapsing economy, or so they think. the system is broken. btw, i'm disgusted by how we treat our injured veterans and the families of those killed in battle. disgusted.

To: Peter V who wrote (203425)	5/21/2009 12:59:02 PM
From: Lazarus	Respond to of 306849

My mother-in-law retired from the Orange County School district about 30 years ago. Then she went to work for the Federal Govt at the military school in San Juan Puerto Rico. She built a house on the side of the hill overlooking the ocean for $40k. Then she retired from that job and sold her home for $250k. She also sold her car she had there (an old Datsun) and came back to the states as a nomad for awhile. Then, urged by a friend, she went over to China to teach English as a second language at an all girls school. They didnt pay her anything but provided room and board and laundry, etc. The govt has since changed and now they pay her (have no clue how much) in addition to all the other perks. She came to the states last year at the beginning of the November for a hip replacement and left later in the same month to go back to receive the key to the city for her service. I think she's 84. She love's it over there.

To: Peter V who wrote (203425)	5/21/2009 1:59:20 PM
From: orkrious	Respond to of 306849

I think there are two public service gigs that deserve some kind of incentive, which come in the form of better pensions and benefits than other jobs. THe first is the military, where you put your life at risk for very little pay...The second is being a teacher. I actually am for military pensions. If you last 20 years in the military defending our country, more power to you. As for teachers, there are all kinds of professional people today who would kill for a teacher's pay and benefits. My daughter-in-law is a teacher. Coincidentally, last night we were talking about pensions. She has been teaching for six years and is 30 years old. When she started she was able to pay $3,000 (I don't know the exact details) to buy down her retirement to 25 years. I don't have her pension details, i.e., can she collect full pay the day she retires?, but essentially she can retire at age 49 with full benefits. I know she is a conscientious as anyone and I'm sure she's a good teacher. But this is as big an outrage as any of the ripoffs we talk about. This is in a suburban Detroit municipality. Every one of them has massive budget problems. Just because the teachers teach our kids they should get salary, pensions, and benefits greater than anyone else today (with the possible exception of gov't workers <nfg>)? It is all going to end badly.