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Politics : The Environmentalist Thread -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: koan who wrote (24662)	5/21/2009 7:54:53 PM
From: R2O	Respond to of 36917

I am not going to pay your taxes, for your obligation to the tribe just because you are selfish and do not want to do your part. I see. I forgot. In your form of DEMOCRACY there can only be group: There is no place for individual action. I made no statement about my NOT PAYING my 'obligation' to the tribe. I only stated that I do not WANT to pay taxes. That, in your world, makes me selfish, just like your refusal of a duty assignment for mere convenience, like going to a dance recital. My sole question: why will you not simply pay the taxes that you want and vote for? The answer would seem to be that if you can't force everybody to do your bidding then you want no part of it. koan: If society, as a whole, deems we must pay taxes that is what we must do. But that was NOT the question. The question was: when society as a whole DOES NOT DEEM that we pay the tax (that YOU want) then why is it that YOU do not just pay the tax that YOU want. Voting for the tax would seem to indicate that you think the tax should be an obligation, yet you do not obligate yourself. This decision involves only YOU. It doesn't involve the tribe or history or anyone else. Just you and your actions. The only vote required is between your own selves. I can only conclude that you feel no obligations to the tribe unless the tribe commands you. That sounds like a very good definition of mob rule to me: as soon as we vote, the entire tribe must act, though it passes by but a single vote. Should your wonderful tax fail by a single vote, in your mind you have no obligation to fund whatever it was. Or if the team decided by vote to do nothing to aid a dying individual, you would feel no obligation to the individual. How strange. koan: The society protects you, is what you do not get. Like WWII. Of course, the protection offered by the German tribe to Jews was perhaps different than what you would have wanted for yourself. But all those commandants were just following orders and obeying their obligations to their tribe. So my question still remains and I really do want an answer. When you vote for a tax, why do you not make out a check to the government, payable only if the vote fails, for your fair share? Not MY share, yours. It is something I have done, except mine is payable only if the vote fails and the majority of those voting for it also put up their money. Wonder of wonders --- never a check cashed. Now why is that? I am looking forward to understanding: why will YOU not (without taking a vote or reliance on actions of any other entity) pay YOUR fair share. Not my share. Yours. R2O