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To: JBTFD who wrote (159551)	5/22/2009 11:49:06 AM
From: TideGlider	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 173976

no, you and Obama very recently decided that. I suppose that you wouldn't use harsh interrogation methods to find a hidden warhead in a city. Would you?

To: JBTFD who wrote (159551)	5/22/2009 11:58:50 AM
From: one_less	2 Recommendations Respond to of 173976

Most people would agree that malice aforethought, involving vindictive intent to cause harm is elemental to torture. There is no doubt in my mind that this could be the case in waterboarding, while at the same time there is no evidence of that being the situation for the three relevant cases where it was used by the CIA. At least no evidence has been brought so far. Certainly there was discomfort involved but detainment, incarceration, and interrogation all by themselves are intended to bring a level of discomfort that is coercive. The limit imposed on the interrogators is that they cannot bring a level of discomfort that is not legally sanctioned under the circumstances. In this case, waterboarding had been determined to be within legal sanctions by the DOJ and by the oversight of Pelosi's congressional committee. It could be argued that the DOJ and Pelosi's congressional committee should not have sanctioned these Enhanced Interrogation Techniques but they did. It could be argued that we should not do that in the future. But the argument that the Interrogators were not operating within legally sanctioned boundaries is wrong.