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To: rrufff who wrote (630)5/25/2009 9:09:26 PM
From: creede1 Recommendation  Respond to of 736
 
Just, just figured it out. My point today about the fact that everyone is a promoter, just goes hand in hand with what you have been saying for years. Ready?

"So, what you are saying is that 'my scam is ok, but yours is not'."
- rrufff


Exactly the point.

"So, what you are saying is that 'my promotion is ok, but yours is not'."
- creede

Exactly the same. These guys like to run around, breaking the TOU, using multiple aliases, making personal attacks, casting judgment on posters, pushing their own agendas, threatening, and name calling and the end of it all they want to point to others and say they are "promoters" just because they like a stock, and post in a manner supporting such belief.

WHAT HYPOCRITES.

Have they not a clue that they are doing the exact same thing, but worse? Do they not see that message boards are made for the exchange of information about a stock, and that almost every post has some kind of bias? Every post on every thread on every message board there ever was, and ever will be has some kind of reason behind it. That reason, that idea, that belief, that impetus, is THE REASON for the post. The post itself is the actual "promotion" itself. No one can post without promoting something.

Only thing left to be seen is if that individual has the capacity to see their own agendas that made them push the keys in the first place. One would assume that everyone has the ability to see the truth, and that may be true, but one first has to earnestly seek in order to find, and most do not.

Apparently the ones attacking us in mass have not done so, or they would see that they have their own beliefs that fuel their promotions (posts). Every single time they attack us, or call us names, or say that we are promoters without accepting the same of themselves is when they again plainly state.....

"MY PROMOTION IS OK, BUT YOURS IS NOT".

aka

"MY SCAM IS OK, BUT YOURS IS NOT".

GB-ND
creede



To: rrufff who wrote (630)5/25/2009 11:35:15 PM
From: creede1 Recommendation  Respond to of 736
 
By: creedebighorns
25 May 2009, 11:35 PM EDT
Rating: Msg. 3478 of 3478
(Reply to 3470 by carmelbeach)

Alright, now we are really getting somewhere. In this post you reveal your promotion, and you also reveal your alliance. Great job.

First of all, you admit that...

"I enjoy providing truthful, well documented counterbalance to pennystock scams, scammers, flim-flam, stinkers, losers and posters who tend to promote them/it."

So, now you have named your primary purpose of your posts is to provide a "counterbalance". Gotcha.

You also make it clear that I was right that your deepest core promotion is this...

"Your posts come from that deep core belief you hold that all pinks are bad investments, and only suckers and thieves believe in them.

That is your core promotion."


Your response was...

"DUH !"

So, we have established beyond a shadow of a doubt from your own admissions that you have a core belief, and it is to provide a "counterbalance" to posters whom YOU PERCEIVE to be promoting scams.

Now, I cannot help but wonder if you have done enough self searching when it comes to your answer, BECAUSE you have already pretty much conceded that LBWR is not a SCAM by the most accepted standards of this market, and therefore really should not constitute so much of your time and effort.

So, I guess I saying that while I applaud your effort at honesty, I am just not certain that you are being 100% honest with yourself, because if your altruistic motive were really the only thing driving you, then surely your highly attuned nature at justice would have you pass right over a non-dilutor like LBWR, and would in fact have your journey into something more nobel. Something more along the lines of a BKMP, which is a stock that is milking the world of MILLIONS of DOLLARS. If your motives so true, and so pure, then surely every keystroke over there could and would ring more true to your core motive, and more true to what would make you most happy.

Therefore, I cannot help but reject your explanation as the true core THREAD, but instead have to say that it's just more of a rationalization to yourself, and not the real truth at all.

THAT SAID, we can still continue down the path.

To start this verbal war you cut and pasted a couple of posts as if to say that I was a promoter.

FINE. We all are.

Now it's time to admit that you are also a promoter of your own "counterbalances", and therefore no different from me or anyone else that posts (promotes) their beliefs.

Or, would you rather just take the place of those that subscribe to the belief that "my promotion is ok, bur yours is not."?

Now, the second thing you did in your post really ties to what I was saying earlier when I said that I "reject your explanation as the true core THREAD". You do realize you outed yourself when you added this little remark at the end?

"p.s. Good Grief - Creede says: "it is my belief that the "Drunken Troll" is just another one of your crew trying to be funny, and trying to feed the conversation.""

Now, how is it that a newbie like you know who the "Drunken Troll" is when you are so new to posting? Very funny but I have been posting on RB for years now, and I don't know the Drunken Troll just by the way he posts.

Very revealing. You think that one would probably come to the conclusion that you would HAVE TO BE in the crew of robocat/mastrocat/scion/xrayscion/alydry200?/itsjustimeme/etc in order to find that amusing? AS IF you personally know for a fact that said Drunken Troll is NOT a member. See what I am saying?

Need more proof?

Well, I find it very interesting that carmelbeach is in the same area of Cali that one of our most blatant promotional bloggers calls home.

Coincidence?

I think not.

Obviously carmelbeach is not your first alias, and obviously you are part of the crew (that is assuming that all the aliases we see here on a weekly basis are not really just one person. I have my doubts)

So, again I ask, are you going to sit here and claim that "your promotion is ok, but mine is not", OR are you going to just admit that if it's ok for you to promote your beliefs then it's ok for me to do it as well.

GodBless-ND
creede

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To: rrufff who wrote (630)5/27/2009 1:01:56 PM
From: creede1 Recommendation  Respond to of 736
 
By: creedebighorns
27 May 2009, 12:59 PM EDT
Rating: Msg. 3518 of 3518
(Reply to 3342 by rrufff)


Good morning rrufff. Seems we have found the answer to why the negative stock promoter act as they do.

Narcissistic personality disorder

- lacks empathy

en.wikipedia.org

"Lacks empathy" - now I see.

You know, sometimes when I am in the middle of my Due Dilly I come across things that I feel compelled to post. You know, huge "red flags" that jump right out at you. When that happens if there is a thread dedicated to the stock in question, then usually I will just go ahead and post the info - even if I already own the stock.

For example - siliconinvestor.com

Know what happens?

The investors on the thread usually get real upset with what I am saying. I understand that, and I think it's a natural response.

For example - siliconinvestor.com

For example - siliconinvestor.com

For example - siliconinvestor.com

For example - siliconinvestor.com

Know what else happens?

I honestly feel bad for the investors that see what I have uncovered. I can tell they are usually upset, and caught off guard. They usually get quite angry, and hurt insults at me and call me a "basher". I understand their pain, and I truly feel for them. That is why I just speak my peace and move on. It's not place to just stay there day after day, week after week, month after month, and year after year saying "I told you so!".

So, that brings me to the point. Those that do such a thing must not have the ability to know how others feel - they must "lack empathy".

Why else do it if you are not getting paid to post? Why stay here on this thread and make the situation even more difficult for those that have already had to endure a share price that has been trending downward for a year now. WHY DO IT?

Seems to me that the answer must be that these posters lack the ability to realize how others feel. They seem totally disconnected to the fact that they are actually causing even more suffering. They seem to actually take enjoyment in the pain of others, and like to bask in it as often as they can.

Sad indeed that kind of promoter.

Or should I say that kind of narcissist?

GB-ND
creede

People that care about others make their point and then move on. Anything else is to either not care about others feelings, or to not be able to comprehend others feelings.

If you are a dedicated negative basher/promoter, which is it with you?

Pray it's not the latter.


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To: rrufff who wrote (630)5/28/2009 1:46:26 PM
From: creede1 Recommendation  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 736
 
Oh MY GOODNESS. How clueless can someone get? rrufff, take a look at this post.

"Did anybody else take note that Mr. Brick posted yesterday that people were LINED UP TO BUY at .045? Yes, he sure did. Yet nobody bought. If they were lined up to buy at .045 as claimed, where are all of the buys? I do not see them anywhere. Plenty of shares were available to buy between .02 and .045. So why didn't this long list of buyers that were lined up, not buy?"

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We have been arguing with someone who doesn't even know how to read L2!!!

That poster should not have made that post.

Now it's CRYSTAL CLEAR to see they don't even know the most basic elements of this market. He does not understand the BID and ASK, and who is selling, and who is buying!!!!!!!!!!

ROTFLMAO!

INCREDIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GB-ND
creede

My Oh MY that post has got to be put in the Pinhead Hall of Fame!

(oh, and here is a copy of the entire post to keep for prosperity! lmao)

By: itsonlyime12
28 May 2009, 01:16 PM EDT
Rating: Rate this post: Msg. 3549 of 3551

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My Oh My!

Yesterday I made a post saying that the .02 bid was looking good.

I was accused by Mr. Brick and now I see the MUTT on IHUB is also saying the same. That my post stating the bid of .02 was false and misleading.

How can something FACTUAL be false and misleading?

The BID was at .02 when I made my post. That is a fact!

Funny how these promotors claim that false and misleading POSITIVE information is factual when it is not, yet they claim that negative information that is factual is not factual.

Could it be those Pink Stripes that cause people to lose all sense of reality?

Are these promotors really going to deny that the bid did hit .02 yesterday, when it is a factual certainty that it did? Looks like they are.

Did anybody else take note that Mr. Brick posted yesterday that people were LINED UP TO BUY at .045? Yes, he sure did. Yet nobody bought. If they were lined up to buy at .045 as claimed, where are all of the buys? I do not see them anywhere. Plenty of shares were available to buy between .02 and .045. So why didn't this long list of buyers that were lined up, not buy?

Because it was another blatant lie by the Brick Master.

Take a look at the Article below discussing IHUB and Matt Browns involvement in 'PUMP AND DUMP PENNY SCAMS'.

The SEC is obviously taking action. It even insinuates that members of IHUB may have been SCAMMED by PUMP AND DUMP PENNY STOCK SCAMS, by the site, by Matt Brown and by MANY users of the site that PROMOTE PENNY STOCKS.

Now look at the facts. Mr. Brick, amongst many others, have a long running established history that goes back years. When looking at this factual history what does one see?

Oh my! They see Mr. Brick promoting many, and I do mean many, penny stocks. The promotions by Mr. Brick all contained false and misleading information and almost every single one of his 'can't miss scams', are now worthless and proven to be PUMP and DUMP scams.

Mr. Brick even has posted that he did sell shares of many companies while promoting others to buy.

The point in all of this is that Mr. Brick is a promotor of penny stocks on a site that is now being targeted by the SEC (I wonder how many individual or class action suits will be filed by members of IHUB?) for PUMP AND DUMP PENNY STOCK SCAMS.

Yet Mr. Brick thinks his actions are going unnoticed? He thinks he has nothing to fear?

With the SEC now targeting IHUB he is very naive if he does not think his actions are being brought to the attention of the SEC and even more naive if he thinks the SEC will ignore him, especially considering the number of years and the number of stocks he has promoted with false information, that are now worthless.

IMHO, the SEC is going to have a field day with IHUB and many posters of the site and I do feel strongly that Mr. Brick will no longer be posting excuse after excuse on message boards. More likely will be excuses from his Attorney to the SEC that will be laughable and inexcusable to the SEC.

I fully expect the SEC to take more actions against more people from IHUB.

Good luck Mr. Brick.

You are going to need it, imho. However, not even luck is going to get you out of this, imho.

I wonder why Mr. Brick has not already done some research and other type's of searches to see if his name is popping up anywhere and where is it popping up?

Boy, is he in for a serious shock and rude awakening!

Others already know this. But he doesn't?

HA HA!

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Felony Criminal Charges For InvestorsHub.com Operator, Matthew Brown, In Penny Stock Scheme
Posted May 21st 2009 3:55PM by George Tsiolis

InvestorsHub.com operater Matthew Brown and 7 other participants were charged by the SEC for their involvement in manipulative trading schemes often timed the to coincide with false or misleading press releases issued by companies to hype their stock. The four companies were GH3 International, Inc., Asia Global Holdings, Inc., Playstar Corp., and Xtreme Motorsports of California, Inc.

In addition, the U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Delaware also announced felony criminal charges against 6 members of the group, including Matthew Brown.

WERE INVESTORSHUB.COM MEMBERS VICTIMS OF THESE SCHEMES?

Further details about participants and charges are outlined below - but the big question for AGORACOM is whether members of InvestorsHub.com were taken advantage of in these schemes? We know from the SEC's press release that:

"In the scheme involving Asia Global stock, the SEC alleges that Dynkowski
personally saw to it that the manipulative trading was coordinated with misleading
press releases from the company, and in some instances he wrote the press releases
for Asia Global himself. According to the SEC's complaint, Dynkowski instructed
Brown on Aug. 24, 2006, to have Asia Global issue a press release hyping the
company's second quarter 2006 financial results and to "make it sound ENORMOUS."

Given the fact Brown operates a very popular penny stock site that provides "free" stock alerts and also features sponsored penny stock press releases on its front page, it isn't a stretch to assume that his very own members may have been victims of these manipulative trading and press release schemes. We'll look deeper into the SEC complaint for any details.

PARTICIPANTS CHARGED BY THE SEC

The SEC's complaint, filed in federal district court in Delaware, charges seven others in addition to Brown:

* Pawel Dynkowski of Newark, Del.

* Jacob Canceli of Mission Viejo, Calif., who is a stock promoter.

* Gerard J. D'Amaro of Pompano Beach, Fla., who is a stock promoter.

* Joseph Mangiapane Jr. of Laguna Niguel, Calif, who was a registered representative at AIS Financial, Inc and is currently CEO of Rubicon Financial, Inc., which owned AIS Financial, Inc. during the relevant time period.

* Nathan M. Michaud of Boston, Mass., who is a web site designer.

* Marc J. Riviello of Redwood City, Calif., who was a registered representative at AIS Financial, Inc.

* Adam S. Rosengard of Voorhees, N.J., who was a student at the University of Delaware during the relevant time period.

PARTICIPANTS CHARGED BY THE U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Delaware

The U.S. Attorney's Office for the District of Delaware also today announced felony criminal charges against Dynkowski, Brown, Canceli, D'Amaro, Mangiapane, and Riviello. Michaud the web designer and Rosengard the student were not charged.

CONCLUSION

Once again, we thank the SEC for aggressively going after penny stock fraudsters. They are a scourge on an industry that is full of hard working and real small-cap companies that are trying to become tomorrow's leaders.

Unfortunately, the pump and dump schemes often overshadow the efforts of real small-cap companies and often serve to set the identity of the space amongst investors. The faster we get rid of them, the faster we can allow real small-cap companies to win or lose on their own merits, free of the baggage piled on by penny stock fraudsters.

Regards,
George

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1. I was permanently booted from a paid subscription at IHUB for asking pertinent questions as to why IHUB gave preferential treatment to the hundreds of paid promoters (mostly undisclosed) that committed fraud daily at IHUB.

The only solution to this problem is to get IHUB to close down. IMO this problem is not isolated to one person within the Company. Hopefully this will be the start of something once people start to beg for a deal.

Hopefully people will band together and insist on change. E-mail the advertisers and inform them of IHUB's situation. Hit them where it hurts.

They silenced me once but never again.

Posted at 10:41AM on May 23rd 2009 by PaulieWalnuts

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To: rrufff who wrote (630)5/28/2009 6:49:26 PM
From: creede2 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 736
 
(we have another winner)

itsonlyime12,

laugh out loud, you have done it again.

"But wait, he is also busy yapping that I do not know how to read level 2. If he knows how, then why is he claiming people are lined up to buy at .045 and wonders how much people are wanting to buy?"

Alright, here is what is 100% apparent to those of us that know what we are doing.

#1. You do not know how to read L2 for pinksheets. If you did then you would know that it is impossible for anyone to know the # of shares in the order, and it is also impossible for anyone to know how many orders are in, since each MM only reflects THEIR BEST OFFER.

#2. You do not have L2 for pinksheets. The cost of the service is anywhere from $30 to $60 a month, and there is absolutely no way I am going to believe that you are going to spend hundreds of dollars a year for a service in a market where you do not intent upon buying anything. If you did have it then you would know how to use it. Therefore, no way you have it - and i don't even think mastrocat would argue with me after what you have written.

#3 You don't even know the difference between a L1 quote and an L2 quote. It's apparent you have never really seen pinksheet L2, and if you have you certainly don't "get it".

itsonlyime12, just come on man (or woman), it's very obvious that you don't know the difference between L1, and L2, and L3 quotes. It's very evident that you do not even really understand L1 quotes, and the difference between the "BID" and the "ASK" - in other words, who is doing the buying and who is doing the selling, and to what LIMITS.

We get it. We know. The cat is clearly out of the bag - you just don't understand.

It's ok. We all to start somewhere.

Secondly, let me ask you a question about this threat.

"You are nuts if you do not think the SEC will be interested in you."

Why do you think the SEC is going to be intested in me, but not in you?

I am just like you - I post my opinions about a stock on message boards. If they are "interested" in that kind of thing then surely they are going to be "interested" in you as well. ESPECIALLY considering 10(b)-5.

Never heard of 10(b)-5? Well, you might want to educate yourself in a hurry. It's a broad regulation that covers manipulative activity. They always tend to look at those that post in the extremes - you know, all "positive" or all "negative". Imo you and the rest of the basher-promoter crew would have to be on their radar. Might be a good idea to go ahead and search their site and see if they already have your LBWR body of work.

Last of all, whatever you do, please, please, please don't tell me that you also have the attitude that "my threat is ok, but yours is not".

Yet another narcissistic hypocritical attitude, without even knowing the difference between L1 and L2, would probably get you laughed off the thread.

GB-ND
creede

By: itsonlyime12
28 May 2009, 04:29 PM EDT
Rating: Rate this post: Msg. 3554 of 3556

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How clueless can one get?

I don't think anybody tops Mr. Brick!

I do have Level 2 and I do know how to read it. Duh!

Apparently Mr. Brick does not, because he is denying that the bid was at .02 for a brief period yesterday, which it was.

But wait, after saying it never hit a bid of .02, he corrects himself and says the bid hit .0222

Ok, so I was off by a smidgeon. Is there that big of a difference between .02 and .0222?

No.

Is there a big difference between .05 and $3, the PPS predicted for years by Mr. Brick?

Is this not Mr. Brick saying that people are lined up to buy at .045?

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Oh MY GOODNESS. How clueless can someone get? rrufff, take a look at this post.
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"Did anybody else take note that Mr. Brick posted yesterday that people were LINED UP TO BUY at .045? Yes, he sure did.

Posted by: creede Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 3:36:51 PM
In reply to: ypsiCPA who wrote msg# 13528 Post # of 13536

Sellers lined up? Don't you mean buyers?

That is an offer to buy at .045. Wonder how many shares they want.
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First he claims the bid did not hit .02, which it did ( Excuse me, .022). He then says that BUYERS are lined up and questions how many shares they are wanting to buy.

But wait, he is also busy yapping that I do not know how to read level 2. If he knows how, then why is he claiming people are lined up to buy at .045 and wonders how much people are wanting to buy?

Talk about clueless!

Mr. Brick, feel free to continue with the personal insults, misleading information and off topic posts that you are so fond of making yourself, while whining about others doing the same. These type posts don't mean anything to the SEC. The SEC is not interested in name calling and personal insults. They are interested in people breaking securities laws.

At this point, I truly hope you remain clueless as the SEC will have a field day with you.

The SEC is targeting IHUB for PUMP and DUMP PENNY scams.

Have you not done a detailed search on your name yet?

You still think that you will be immune to the SEC?

You think you can escape the wraith of the SEC?

Keep thinking that way as it will be a joyful day when you and other Pump and Dump scam artists are finally held accountable.

With a long term and factual history that you have, I would be very concerned.

You are nuts if you do not think the SEC will be interested in you.

Furthermore, I will give you a little hint. Try searching for your name or alias and tell me what you find.

Still think you have smooth sailing ahead?

You are heading in to a typhoon and don't even know it, although most already do.

Now, that is what I call clueless!


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