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To: miraje who wrote (8563)	5/27/2009 3:59:49 PM
From: RetiredNow	Respond to of 86350

Fact 3: If we could ramp up production on all offshore and onshore public lands and seas with no limits, it would only add an estimated 5 mbpd of supply. That's about 1/4 of our total daily consumption and 1/3 of our imports. So that alone, although I'm for it, won't be the complete solution. Fact 4: Technology doesn't stand still. Batteries, solar module efficiencies, and other renewable tech has gotten much better in the last 5 years and will continue to improve until it is more efficient that combustion engines and fossil fuels. However, that requires investment. Either we do it now or we do it when high oil prices have already killed our economy. I'd rather plan for an orderly transition rather than do it under the knife of an economic collapse precipitated by lack of oil supply. Fact 5: You conflate the desire for energy independence with the desire for lower GHG emissions. I can almost understand turning a blind eye to the need for lower GHG emissions, because there is a lot of FUD out there. However, I simply do not understand why any American would want to persist in oil dependence on Venezuela, Russia, and Saudi Arabia. To me it is unpatriotic and stupid in the extreme.

To: miraje who wrote (8563)	5/28/2009 7:01:43 AM
From: jrhana	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 86350

<Fact number 1.. Even under the best of circumstances, the US won't even come close to achieving energy independence for multiple decades down the road, if ever.> That's not a fact at all IMO. As I have been trying to point out, the quantities of cheap, economical shale NG are so vast that we could easily achieve energy independence within a few years. In fact we could and should be exporting LNG not importing energy in any form. Message 25673104