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To: koan who wrote (54959)	5/28/2009 11:02:50 AM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 149317

I repeat, that I don't hold the position where conservatives are right and liberals are wrong. I hold a more moderate centrist view personally. In my personal life I am conservative and very private. With regards to the general circumstance of the world I am very liberal with regards to ideas for innovation and renewal of culture. With regards to politics, I think both extremes tend to corrupt simple issues of human dignity for partisan gain. "How about issues like : Women's right to vote, segregation, affiratve action, evironment, gay rights, unions, etc." How about we go with one at a time? Conservatives are generally seen as opposing laws that 'liberate' women but that isn't totally fair. Conservatives are also seen as protective of a woman's virtue and dignity in motherhood and as the central figure to family and home life. Conservative women are less likely to find themselves in compromising situations where rape occurs and the USA has the biggest problem in the world with rape and assault on women. "According to the RAPE, Abuse, and Incest National Network (RAINN) Statistics website , there were 247,730 victims of RAPE, attempted RAPE or sexual assault in the United States in 2002. Approximately 87,000 of these were victims of completed RAPE." We brag about our women's rights movement being a lib thing, should we blame a quarter million rape/assault per year statistic on liberals? That seems to get swept under the rug when we are bragging about our accomplishments. All of the leading suffragists -- including Susan B. Anthony, Lucretia Mott, and Elizabeth Cady Stanton -- were Republicans. In fact, Susan B. Anthony bragged, after leaving the voting booth, that she had voted for “the Republican ticket -- straight.” The suffragists included two African-American Republican women who were also co-founders of the NAACP: Ida Wells and Mary Terrell, great leaders of our party, both of them. The first women delegates to a national party convention did not go to the Democratic National Convention, they went to the Republican Convention. In fact, for years Democrats kept women out, while Republicans were letting women in. The goal of the Republican suffragists, including their male Republican elected official friends, was to add an amendment to the Constitution that would give women the right to vote. Sadly, there is not a single California schoolbook in use today that tells students it was a Republican U.S. Senator from California, Aaron Sargent, who authored the women’s suffrage amendment -- or that he named it in honor of another great Republican, Susan B. Anthony. Senator Sargent introduced the Susan B. Anthony Amendment in 1878, but it didn’t become the law of the land until 1920. Why? Because Republicans did not have majorities in both the House and the Senate at the same time, and the Democrats kept voting against it. But, in the meanwhile, in 1916, Montana -- which had by state law given women the right to vote -- elected Jeannette Rankin to be the first woman to serve in the United States Congress. She, of course, was a Republican. In the national election two years later, in 1918, Republicans won majorities in both the House and the Senate. We then swiftly passed the Women’s Suffrage Amendment. And 1920, therefore, was the first presidential election in which all women could vote. What do you think most women in America did? They voted for Warren Harding. In fact, I remember having a conversation with my grandmother about this. I talked to her about the first time she was able to vote, and I asked her, “Who did you vote for?” She looked at me as if I were crazy. “Of course,” she answered, “I voted for the Republicans. They gave us the vote.” That’s why the Republican landslide for Harding was so big that year. politicalbase.com

To: koan who wrote (54959)	5/28/2009 12:27:16 PM
From: TimF	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 149317

I've already addressed, segregation, affirmative action, and gay marriage. As for the environment, that's a very complex issue. Well not even really that its a whole area with many complex and perhaps a some simple issues, but the point is that it isn't one simple issue where one can reasonably look for a single "X was right", "Y was wrong". As for women's right to vote, I haven't seen a party breakdown but the nineteenth amendment passed with about 71% of the vote in the house and was ratified by 48 states. The Dems where not so dominate that they could have done that without the Republicans. Edit - At least in the Senate the vote got more Republican votes than Democratic votes, and less votes against coming from the Republicans. The roll call on the amendment follows: FOR ADOPTION - 36. Republicans - 36. Capper, Cummins, Curtis, Edge, Elkins, Fall, Fernald, France, Frelinghuysen, Gronna, Hale, Harding, Johnson, (Cal.,) Jones, (Wash.,) Kellogg, Kenyon, Kayes, La Follette, Lenroot, McCormick, McCumber, McNaty, Nelson, New, Newberry, Norris, Page, Phipps, Poindexter, Sherman, Smoot, Spencer, Sterling, Sutherland, Warren, Watson. Democrats - 20. Ashurst, Chamberlain, Culberson, Harris, Henderson, Jones, (N. M.,) Kenrick, Kirby, McKellar, Myers, Nugent, Phelan, Pittman, Ransdell, Shepard, Smith, (Ariz.,) Stanley, Thomas, Walsh, (Mass.,) Walsh, (Mon.) AGAINST ADOPTION - 25. Republicans - 8. Borah, Brandegee, Dillingham, Knox, Lodge, McLean, Moses, Wadsworth. Democrats - 17. Bankhead, Beckham, Dial, Fletcher, Gay, Harrison, Hitchcock, Overman, Reed, Simmons, Smith, (Md.,) Smith, (S. C.,) Swanson, Trammell, Underwood, Williams, Wolcott. fordham.edu So almost 82% of voting Republicans voted for it while the measure only got about 54% of the Democratic votes.