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To: tdl4138 who wrote (17653)5/29/2009 9:39:48 PM
From: Galirayo3 Recommendations  Respond to of 50451
 
>>The Homeland Security lobby is dependent on endless threats to convince Americans that they must forego civil liberty in order to be safe and secure.<<

We Need .. No More Forego ..

We Need LESS Government.



To: tdl4138 who wrote (17653)5/30/2009 12:05:06 AM
From: Broken_Clock8 Recommendations  Respond to of 50451
 
Couple thoughts here....

Don't know how much time you've spent reading Israeli writers(many soldiers even) regarding the genocide committed by the IDF in Gaza and elsewhere but it truly is sickening beyond description. These aren't Arabs writing, these are decorated ex IDF commanders telling it like it is and these are ashamed and disgusted enough to risk their lives telling the truth.

N. Korea....
The US has been a leader in proliferating "sensitive" nuclear technology to nations that, IMO, are way to unstable to have it. Obama just cut a deal to give the UAE such technology last week. You think that is a safe, sane move? To give that technology to the UAE?

One thing for sure, the US is the undisputed king of hypocrisy.



To: tdl4138 who wrote (17653)5/31/2009 12:40:58 AM
From: Proud Deplorable11 Recommendations  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 50451
 
"As to Iran becoming a nuclear power... you have a country run by Islamic fundamentalists that openly supports radical and fundamental Islamic groups... trying to become a nuclear power. Don't you see a problem here?"

Statement full of inaccuracies .....Iran has no such interests in becoming a nuclear weapons power. Israel has not signed the non proliferation agreement and this makes them the REAL danger to the world. They have enough weapons to wipe out Iran and dozens of other surrounding countries so the question you should be asking is who really is the renegade nation? I am speaking this as a Jew.

Incidentally radical Islam is no different than radical anything, Christianity...whatever. Islam is a good religion as are so many others but when man perverts the teachings who is to blame? Is Rush Limbaugh a Christian? We know that he is not. Conversely is bin Laden a good example of Islam? Of course not.

You really express some gingoistic and naive opinions of the world not based on anything of real substance. Your "Christian" friends have tried to destroy Islam for centuries. It cannot and won't be done.

I see absolutely nothing wrong with Iran having nuclear power and by the way Iranians as a people love America, something I'll never understand. They are definitely NOT America's enemy in any sense of the word. You should take note that even Obama just told Israel to F*** off and leave the occupied lands and not to depend on a blank cheque from the USA in the future. What does THAT tell you?

Ahmadinejad has called for Islam to take over the world. He's just a loudmouth like Chavez, men with good hearts that say ridiculous things but hardly dangerous. The dangerous ones are the ones with hidden agendas that are presenting themselves as angles of light when inside they are devils








To: tdl4138 who wrote (17653)5/31/2009 10:30:34 AM
From: wildandwonderful11 Recommendations  Respond to of 50451
 
How will you react when concrete is being poured in your back yard, a house is built and you feel helpless.Then they have the audacity to built a wall and say keep out of my property.
I am not pro Arab or pro Israel but i think media paints Palestine as suicide Bombers and Israel as guardians of Democracy in Middle East.



To: tdl4138 who wrote (17653)5/31/2009 3:43:18 PM
From: SARMAN8 Recommendations  Respond to of 50451
 
How would you react if misslles were being fired into your neighborhoods everyday?
Hmmm, with all do respect, the neighborhood that you talk about belonged to the Palestinians before these neighborhoods were ethnically cleansed and before the Zionists pushed the Palestinians into Auschwitz like camps.
Now, ask yourself this question, if you were pushed out of your house, what would you do? I guarantee you, your answer will not be "rollover and die".

When was the last time you read about an Israeli suicide bomber blowing up a restaurant or shopping mall or bus full of Palestinians?

ROFLOL, the Israelis do not have to send a suicide bomber as long as the US keeps send them bunker buster bombs and cover/justify their atrocities. Have you already forgot how many children the Israelis killed few month back?

But your article doesn't reflect the reality of the situation that has been ongoing for generations.
Jews, Christians and Muslims lived in PALESTINE peacefully for centuries before the Zionists ambitions. Thus, you should blame the Zionists for the problem.

I doubt the children's TV shows in Israel teach toddlers to hate all Arabs or Palestinians.
I would tell you look again.

Quite common in the Arab world.
Of course. Would the Israelis allow their children to forget the Holocaust? Same premise, the Zionists ethnically cleansed the Arabs and this should never be forgotten.

In a perfect world both sides would have come to some sort of agreement for peace and learned to co-exist side by side. The article you posted makes no mention of the peace proposal Isreal made to Yasser Arafat some years back that gave them everything they wanted...but was turned down cold. Ever wonder why?
Peace does not suit the Israelis. Peace between the parties will put an end to the Jewish State. I do not mean Israel will be pushed to the sea, but actually Israel will stop being Jewish. The Jews will be outnumbered in the Jewish State, thus Israel will NEVER agree to any peace.

As to North Korea...maybe I'm missing something here....but why is O'Bama so wrong for asking the world community to "Stand Up" and start taking notice? As to Iran becoming a nuclear power... you have a country run by Islamic fundamentalists that openly supports radical and fundamental Islamic groups... trying to become a nuclear power. Don't you see a problem here?
Do you accept Israel as Jewish? Thus you must accept Iran as Islamic. Unless you are racist anti-Islam.

I guess what bothers me even more was seeing that 4 readers had recommended your posting.
I guess there are fewer people that do not share your view. 19 people recommended his post so far.



To: tdl4138 who wrote (17653)5/31/2009 4:13:45 PM
From: SARMAN2 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 50451
 
The Pathologies of Israel’s Guilty Conscience

tonykaron.com

Negating the truth about the Nakbah — the ethnic cleansing of Palestinian Arabs from what became Israel in 1948 — has been a staple of Jewish-nationalist propaganda as long as I can remember: As a youngster in Habonim, I was told bubbemeis tales about foolish Arabs marching off into the wilderness like zombies after being hypnotized by radio broadcasts urging them to leave; a “miracle” on a par with the parting of the Red Sea that ostensibly gave the Zionist movement the “land without a people” about which it had fantasized. It should have been painfully obvious that this was a preposterous self-serving myth (which even then didn’t account for the fact that the ethnic cleansing was sealed by Israel in one of its founding laws that denied the right of any Arab absent from their property on the day of Israel’s creation to return to that property). But to suggest anything less than a miraculous conception and bloodless birth for the state of Israel was to deny its “legitimacy”, we were told. As international pressure grows for an historic reckoning between Israelis and Palestinians, the frenzy of denial and negation has intensified. Suddenly, Netanyahu is demanding that the Palestinians recognize Israel as a “Jewish state”, even though to do so requires that Palestinian refugees simply sign away their birthright, erase their history and identity. Even more bizarre, perhaps, is the effort by members of Israel’s parliament to outlaw commemoration of the Nakba. There are other Israelis, of course, who don’t deny the Nakba, but strive to reveal its history to their fellow citizens, precisely because the pathological denial of their own country’s own history as perpetrators of dispossession and ethnic cleansing, there can be no true healing between Israelis and Palestinians. One such brave and visionary Israeli is Eitan Bronstein, whom I had the pleasure of meeting last year. He graciously agreed to allow Rootless Cosmopolitan to republish an English translation of his article published in Yediot Ahoronot today article challenging the proposed Nakba law.

A Response to the Proposal to Ban Commemoration of the Nakba on Independence Day

By Eitan Bronstein

The proposal to legally bar the commemoration of the Nakba on Israel’s Independence Day reflects growing trepidation in Israel about the inevitable encounter with the Palestinian Nakba and the understanding that the Nakba is a foundational part of Israeli identity. Until recently, the threat of exposing the Nakba was barely felt. There was no need to fight this repressed demon, which might suddenly reveal itself and disrupt the seeming calm of a harmonious Jewish democracy. But the Nakba is not a demon, not the fruit of deceptive imagination, and therefore we should not underestimate the challenge facing Israeli society: to recognize Israel’s part in the expulsion of most of the Palestinian inhabitants of the land in 1948, the destruction of most of their localities (upwards of five hundred), the annihilation of urban Palestinian culture, and tens of massacres, rapes, incidents of looting, and dispossession. Looking into so dark a mirror takes courage and maturity, demonstrated in the research of such scholars as Morris, Gelber, Milstein, Khalidi, Pappe, and others, as well as in the diaries of Netiva Ben Yehuda and Yosef Nahmani.

It is not surprising that the “appropriate Zionist response,” to inscribe the forgetting of this human horror into law, comes from the circles of the political right-wing. They have always been more sincere in their racist attitudes toward Arabs in Israel, compared to the Left, which marketed to the world and to us its honest (yet illusory) longing for peace.

More than eighty years ago, it was clear to Jabotinsky, the leader of the historic Right and perhaps the most realistic Zionist thinker, that the establishment of the Jewish state required citizens to be forever soldiers under the protection of the “Iron Wall.” Jabotinsky understood that Jewish existence depended upon violent strength, on killing and being killed in a predominantly Arab region that would never accept them. A year ago his student, Tzipi Livni, suggested that Palestinians remove the word ‘Nakba’ from their lexicon as part of a comprehensive peace deal. Our current Prime Minister announced during his recent campaign that he would expunge the Nakba from educational curricula (since when has the Nakba been taught anyway?) and would order the teaching of Jabotinsky’s legacy.

The Greek philosopher Thrasymachus taught us that “the law is what is good for the stronger,” but no law, not even that of the democratic Jewish Knesset, can erase the horrors of history. Traces of these horrors will always be visible, in both personal and collective memory and forgetfulness. In Israel, the sabras, prickly cactus bushes, have become vivid and thorny monuments of the Palestinian Nakba. This obstinate plant was brought by the Palestinians from Mexico to mark and defend their territory. The sabra not only persists in the landscape long after Israel expelled those who planted it, it also grows wild despite attempts to eradicate it. Perhaps, in response, the Israeli government should make it unlawful to eat its fruit?

At the same time, remembrance of the Nakba is growing and takes root in the deepening fissures in the Iron Wall. The Palestinian refugees – the majority of Palestinians are, indeed, refugees – have mourned the Nakba from the moment it occurred and demand justice. After the Oslo Accords, when they realized their concerns would be pushed aside indefinitely, they began to struggle effectively against the worldwide disregard for their tragedy. However, the proposed law to forget the Nakba is in actuality a response to cultural shifts in Jewish-Israeli society to coping with this disaster. The real threat to the colonialist Iron Wall occurs as the majority of its soldiers refuse to obey the commandment not to remember. In the last few years, hundreds of Jews in Israel (and around the world) have participated in events commemorating the Nakba during Israel’s Independence Day. In recent years hundreds of Israelis have turned to Zochrot – an organization working to bring the Nakba to the consciousness of Jews in Israel – to request information on the topic. Journalists, writers, architects, as well as people in film, television, and theater who grew up on the good old stories of Israel seek to discover their repressed past. Educators are requesting the educational packet on the Nakba developed by Zochrot. Soldiers from the Palmach are turning to Zochrot towards the end of their lives to share stories of what they did and saw in 1948.

Who knows, maybe the day is not far off when the choice at the center of the political debate will be the State of Israel as it is today versus recognition of the Nakba and the right of return of the Palestinian refugees. When this day comes, the citizens of Israel will be able to choose between two clear visions: separation and perpetual violence versus a life of equality for all the country’s residents and refugees. To hurry this day forward, maybe we should make up another Hebrew word: “de-colonization.”