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To: bentway who wrote (484458)	5/30/2009 3:47:23 PM
From: combjelly	Respond to of 1573134

"It's especially darkly hilarious the the "fiscally responsible" (R)'s are the one's who mainly encouraged and grew this hands-off, shadow banking system for rich folks who "knew the game" that failed.." Isn't it? And to top it all off, they are twisting themselves into knots trying to deny what so obviously happened.

To: bentway who wrote (484458)	5/30/2009 3:47:31 PM
From: combjelly	Respond to of 1573134

"It's especially darkly hilarious the the "fiscally responsible" (R)'s are the one's who mainly encouraged and grew this hands-off, shadow banking system for rich folks who "knew the game" that failed.." Isn't it? And to top it all off, they are twisting themselves into knots trying to deny what so obviously happened.

To: bentway who wrote (484458)	5/30/2009 5:20:44 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1573134

Salt Lake continues to surprise me. Cheney's pitch Appearing in his own defense Tribune Editorial Updated: 05/29/2009 05:46:09 PM MDT Former Vice President Dick Cheney's crusade to justify the excesses of the Bush administration's response to the terror attacks of 9/11 looks awfully like a preemptive strike on the harsh judgments of history. Among its aims is to hang responsibility for any future attack within the United States squarely on the Obama administration for its refusal to sacrifice American ideals and the rule of law on the altar of national security. In short, to abandon the tools of Cheney's dark world, among them secrecy, fear-mongering, suspension of civil liberties, torture, and an unprovoked, unending war based on preconceived notions and marketed with doctored intelligence. In a speech last week at the National Archive, President Barack Obama offered a blunt critique of the Bush administration's approach to national security: "The decisions that were made over the last eight years established an ad hoc legal approach for fighting terrorism that was neither effective nor sustainable -- a framework that failed to rely on our legal traditions and time-tested institutions; that failed to use our values as a compass." On the same day, at another Washington venue, Cheney was more blunt, at times caustic, in condemning Obama's "middle-ground" course of "half-measures [that] keep you half-exposed." He spoke with pride of his administration's "comprehensive" strategy, singling out domestic eavesdropping and "tough interrogations" that he boldly asserted were "legal,essential, justified, successful, and the right thing to do." "Critics of our policies are given to lecturing on the theme of being consistent with American values," Cheney said. "But no moral value held dear by the American people obliges public servants ever to sacrifice innocent lives to spare a captured terrorist from unpleasant things." There you have it, two views of national security across a yawning chasm. For Obama, it is neither necessary nor permissable to act outside the law to secure the nation's safety. For Cheney, it would recklessly endanger American lives to do otherwise. For us, Obama's vision of America is compatible with its founding documents. Cheney's would be unrecognizable -- and deeply alarming -- to the men who wrote them. For us, Cheney's words recall those of the U.S. Army major who, after American forces leveled the Vietnamese village of Ben Tre, famously said, "It became necessary to destroy the village in order to save it." sltrib.com