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To: westpacific who wrote (98169)6/1/2009 7:30:53 AM
From: MythMan  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116555
 
You bullish yet? We blew thru your 8400 number on the Dow.



To: westpacific who wrote (98169)6/1/2009 10:57:54 AM
From: Steve Lokness1 Recommendation  Respond to of 116555
 
This will be my last post on this board...that should make a lot of you social planners

Well that's sad. Why not argue your point?

I do disagree completely that just because someone hates the direction the country has gone the last eight years that that makes us "social planners". Nonsense. You say you are a clairvoyant and can see what is ahead of us - well that makes you a smarter man than I am as I haven't a clue on most things. What I do know is what we did the last eight years and I want no part of that. Could Obama screw things up? You bet, but so did Bush in the biggest of ways, so I say time to hand the reins to someone else. The dismal slide into the economic abyss is NOT Obama's fault but he is at least trying to halt that slide. He deserves our support but I agree we need to stay very vigilant.

steve



To: westpacific who wrote (98169)6/1/2009 1:50:54 PM
From: SouthFloridaGuy  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116555
 
West, there is no need to leave. You will ultimately be proven right, but you have to respect the technicals. We've seen this game since 1995; I for one choose to play.



To: westpacific who wrote (98169)6/1/2009 4:55:47 PM
From: Fiscally Conservative  Respond to of 116555
 
Don't leave. Everyone is entitled to an opinion. You get to state yours and they theirs and the chips fall where they may.
Don't do it! Stand by your convictions and your market calls!



To: westpacific who wrote (98169)6/1/2009 7:08:17 PM
From: Wheaties1 Recommendation  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116555
 
West,

don't give in to fools. tomorrow a correction will begin, now that some are comfortable.

after 8-12 %, we go back up FAST....to near lehman levels, its true......

but then thats it , get out, slow, painful, dredging, withering , fall of stock-markets. 2 years easy. Do you really think Japan had NO clue what to do in the 80's ? ( or 20's )

no mercy like 08.....no one is going to get out. Dont get mad, just get your house in

\order.

to the 8 who think marxism is the answer, i don't pity you. more believers like you

means easier life for me.

Hard work pays off,

really hard work really pays off.

Hugs and kisses,

C.



To: westpacific who wrote (98169)6/1/2009 9:07:15 PM
From: Bill on the Hill11 Recommendations  Respond to of 116555
 
west,

i shut down my business on april 15 this year.

there are a few of us serious about non-participation.

if enough quit........

i make one. with my sons makes three. with their friends makes ten.

no more income will i make.

and the result of that is??????????

how many will it take?

i quit. can you?

society will take this bullshit wherever they wish. i have seen the future from looking ahead. it's a dead end.

i, you and a few like us will be somewhere else. because we looked ahead.

and we will be doing what we know is best.

few understood Ayn. socialism has held the hearts of humanists for decades. socialism has had decades to figure out how to cure disparate thought. governments control populations through creating laws against phrases or words. media controls by using phrases or words properly voiced to achieve their desire. what is happening is less like a conspiracy and more like a virus.

a virus of thought control.

self-interest will be the next phrase to receive media scrutiny. if you hold your own self-interest at heart how can you be trusted to benefit society at large?

next lie sold to us. as those who already plundered us and are back to pick our pockets clean and leave us the debt. give 100% to JPM and let the pensions hang. but we accept this selling of the debt to us leaving US holding the bag while the exalted hierarchy fly on jets to watch plays. be they CEO or POTUS.

and we are left with government motors. stuck in park and out of gas.

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to the globalists and marxists out there.

i don't trust you to know whats best for me.

leave me my freedom so i can choose for myself.

take your own away.

if not......

i will fight you for it.

West..... Get Mad! Stay Strong! Be Ready...

keep posting. and never, say never.



To: westpacific who wrote (98169)6/2/2009 12:49:38 AM
From: roguedolphin1 Recommendation  Respond to of 116555
 
Stick around ....your opinions are much needed for debate here.



To: westpacific who wrote (98169)6/2/2009 12:51:03 AM
From: roguedolphin1 Recommendation  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 116555
 
Barack Obama, A Fabian Socialist...
Message 25686003

From: SliderOnTheBlack 6/1/2009 6:47:36 PM
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Barack Obama, A Fabian Socialist...

Hat Tip to Jerry Bowyer, he called this on day one...

"Who needs Molotov when we've got Alinski?"

forbes.com

Jerry Bowyer 11.03.08, 12:32 PM ET

Barack Obama is a Fabian socialist.

I should know; I was raised by one. My Grandfather worked as a
union machinist for Ingersoll Rand during the day. In the
evenings he tended bar and read books. After his funeral, I
went back home and started working my way through his library,
starting with T.W. Arnold's The Folklore of Capitalism. This
was my introduction to the Fabian socialists.

Fabians believed in gradual nationalization of the economy
through manipulation of the democratic process. Breaking away
from the violent revolutionary socialists of their day, they
thought that the only real way to effect "fundamental change"
and "social justice" was through a mass movement of the
working classes presided over by intellectual and cultural
elites. Before TV it was stage plays, written by George
Bernard Shaw and thousands of inferior "realist" playwrights
dedicated to social change. John Cusack's character in Woody
Allen's "Bullets Over Broadway" captures the movement rather
well.

Arnold taught me to question everyone--my president, my priest
and my parents. Well, almost everyone. I wasn't supposed to
question the Fabian intellectuals themselves. That's the
Fabian MO, relentless cultural and journalistic attacks on
everything that is, and then a hard pitch for the hope of what
might be.

That's Obama's world.

He's telling the truth when he says that he doesn't agree with
Bill Ayers' violent bombing tactics, but it's a tactical
disagreement. Why use dynamite when mass media and community
organizing work so much better? Who needs Molotov when you've
got Saul Alinski?

So here is the playbook: The left will identify, freeze,
personalize and polarize an industry, probably health care. It
will attempt to nationalize one-fifth of the U.S. economy
through legislative action. They will focus, as Lenin did, on
the "commanding heights" of the economy, not the little guy.

As Obama said, "the smallest" businesses will be exempt from
fines for not "doing the right thing" in offering
employer-based health care coverage. Health will not be
nationalized in one fell swoop; they have been studying the
failures of Hillary Care. Instead, a parallel system will be
created, funded by surcharges on business payroll, which will
be superior to many private plans.

The old system will be forced to subsidize the new system and
there will be a gradual shift from the former to the latter.
The only coercion will be the fines, not the participation. A
middle-class entitlement will have been created.

It may not be health care first; it might be energy, though I
suspect that energy will be nationalized much more gradually.
The offshore drilling ban that was allowed to lapse
legislatively will be reinstated through executive means. It
may be an executive order, but might just as well be a permit
reviewing system that theoretically allows drilling but with
endless levels of objection and appeal from anti-growth
groups. Wind and solar, on the other hand, will have no
permitting problems at all, and a heavy taxpayer subsidy at
their backs.

The banking system has already been partially nationalized.
Bush and Paulson intend for their share purchases to be only
non-voting preferred shares, but the law does not specify
that. How hard will it be for Obama, new holder of $700
billion in bank equity, to demand "accountability" and a
"voice" for the taxpayers?

The capital markets are not freezing up now, mostly because of
what has happened, although community organizers' multidecade
push for affirmative-action mortgages has done enormous harm
to the credit system. Markets are forward looking.

A quick review of the socialist takeovers in Venezuela in
1999, Spain in 2004 and Italy in 2006 show the same pattern--
equity markets do most of their plummeting before the Chavez's
of the world take power. Investors anticipate the policy shift
in advance; that's their job.

It's not just equity markets, though; debt markets do the same
thing. Everywhere I turn I hear complaints about bankers
"hoarding" capital. "Hoarding" is a word we've heard often
from violent socialists like Lenin and Mao. We also hear it
from the democratic left as we did during the 1930s in
America. The banks, we're told, are greedy and miserly,
holding onto capital that should be deployed into the
marketplace.

Well, which is it, miserly or greedy? They're not the same
thing. Banks make money borrowing low and lending high. In
fact, they can borrow very, very low right now, as they could
during the Great Depression.

So why don't they lend? Because socialism is a very unkind
environment for lenders. Some of the most powerful members of
Congress are speaking openly about repudiating mortgage
covenants. Local officials have already done so by simply
refusing to foreclose on highly delinquent borrowers. Then,
there's the oldest form of debt repudiation, inflation. Even
if you get your money back, it will not be worth anything. Who
would want to lend in an environment like this?

Will Obama's be the strong-man socialism of a Chavez, or the
soft socialism that Clement Atlee used to defeat Churchill
after WWII? I don't know, but I suspect something kind of in
between. Despite right-wing predictions that we won't see Rush
shut down by Fairness Doctrine fascists. We won't see Baptist
ministers hauled off in handcuffs for anti-sodomy sermons. It
will more likely be a matter of paperwork. Strong worded
letters from powerful lawyers in and out of government to
program directors and general mangers of radio stations.
Ominous references to license renewal.

The psychic propaganda assault will be powerful. The cyber-
brown-shirts will spew hate, the union guys will flood talk
shows with switchboard-collapsing swarms of complaint calls
aimed at those hosts who "go beyond the pale" in their
criticisms of Obama. In concert with pop culture outlets like
The Daily Show and SNL, Obama will use his podium to humiliate
and demonize those of us who don't want to come together and
heal the planet.

You've heard of the bully pulpit, right? Well, then get ready,
because you're about to see the bully part.

Jerry Bowyer is chief economist of Benchmark Financial Network
and a CNBC contributor.

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There's an old saying...

"No dog ever strays far from his pedigree."

With Obama we have a lifetime socialist legacy from
Saul Alinsky, Cloward-Piven, terrorist bomber Bill Ayres,
SDS member & ACORN founder Wade Rathke, radical racist,
God Damn-America hating, Rev. Jeremiah Wright,
a communist father, and a globalist, socialist mother,
who worked with Tim Geithner's father at the IMF.

All polished & repackaged by master handler Zbigniew
Brzezinski with a cherry on top.

en.wikipedia.org

americanthinker.com

canadafreepress.com

youtube.com

en.wikipedia.org

ibdeditorials.com

youtube.com

And people are surprised by Pravda's comments?

What exactly did you think you elected people?

english.pravda.ru

"American Capitalism Gone With A Whimper"

It must be said, that like the breaking of a great dam, the
American decent into Marxism is happening with breath taking
speed, against the back drop of a passive, hapless sheeple,
excuse me dear reader, I meant people.

True, the situation has been well prepared on and off for the
past century, especially the past twenty years. The initial
testing grounds was conducted upon our Holy Russia and a
bloody test it was. But we Russians would not just roll over
and give up our freedoms and our souls, no matter how much
money Wall Street poured into the fists of the Marxists.

Those lessons were taken and used to properly prepare the
American populace for the surrender of their freedoms and
souls, to the whims of their elites and betters.

First, the population was dumbed down through a politicized
and substandard education system based on pop culture, rather
then the classics. Americans know more about their favorite TV
dramas then the drama in DC that directly affects their lives.

They care more for their "right" to choke down a McDonalds
burger or a BurgerKing burger than for their constitutional
rights. Then they turn around and lecture us about our rights
and about our "democracy". Pride blind the foolish.

Then their faith in God was destroyed, until their churches,
all tens of thousands of different "branches and
denominations" were for the most part little more then Sunday
circuses and their televangelists and top protestant mega
preachers were more then happy to sell out their souls and
flocks to be on the "winning" side of one pseudo Marxist
politician or another. Their flocks may complain, but when
explained that they would be on the "winning" side, their
flocks were ever so quick to reject Christ in hopes for
earthly power. Even our Holy Orthodox churches are
scandalously liberalized in America.

The final collapse has come with the election of Barack Obama.
His speed in the past three months has been truly impressive.
His spending and money printing has been a record setting, not
just in America's short history but in the world. If this
keeps up for more then another year, and there is no sign that
it will not, America at best will resemble the Wiemar Republic
and at worst Zimbabwe.

These past two weeks have been the most breath taking of all.
First came the announcement of a planned redesign of the
American Byzantine tax system, by the very thieves who used it
to bankroll their thefts, loses and swindles of hundreds of
billions of dollars. These make our Russian oligarchs look
little more then ordinary street thugs, in comparison. Yes,
the Americans have beat our own thieves in the shear volumes.

Should we congratulate them?

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SOTB

PS: Worried about "your" investment in GM?

You ought to be.

President Obama’s biggest experiment yet in federal
economic intervention...

nytimes.com