To: bentway who wrote (485326 ) 6/3/2009 10:13:35 AM From: i-node Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1575596 >> But, I can also see it's quite a ways off. No, it isn't. The escalation in use of ground robots is now mandated. And it is happening quickly. >> We're a long way from building AI's with the intelligence of a decent insect, enough sense to get out of the rain, let alone one with political judgment and a moral compass. Yeah, you're making the same mistake most people do in looking toward the future -- which is assume that the rate of growth is linear, which it is not. While progress has been slow, it is speeding, and the curve is exponential. As a result, when AI development begins to roll it will roll quickly. With memory densities increasing at the pace they are, as well as processor power, AI is likely to do the same. It has been estimated that the technological progress of the 1990s exceeded all that of the 90 years before and the rate of increase has soared since then and will continue to do so. I could easily see some Pal kids drawing it's attention and fire while another one ran up behind and pulled it over on it's side and ripped it's ammo belt loose. OR, blasted it's optics with paint balloons, blinding it, then stealing it's machine gun. OR, just dropping big chunks of concrete on it from rooftops. Etc., etc. These devices have 360 degree camera views and and kill anything within a few hundred yards. The sheer numbers of them, when fully deployed, will prevent the kind of attacks you're describing. One of the models -- and I think it is the SWORDS unit -- is claimed to be able to withstand 400Gs. A Talon was dropped into the river in Iraq by accident and was able to be driven out. My son tells me they had incidents of them falling out of the truck driving down the road and simply picked them up and kept going. It's remote "senses" aren't anywhere NEAR as good as a human worried about being shot - and from what I saw, this is a MAJOR vulnerability. You're crazy. They have a 360 degree camera, a high-resolution camera that can read a soldier's nametag and even identify whether his weapon is on safety at a mile, full night vision and infrared capability, the ability to capture sound and numerous other sensing capabilities. In addition, they do not suffer from sensory problems that people do -- dirt in their eyes, the smell of dead corpses packed with maggots doesn't bother them, they don't get sick, they don't respond irratically to extended firefights, there really is no comparison. It looked kinda geeky, clumsy and more than a little bit silly. You're confused about the entire subject. Do you actually think the SWORDS and Talon units are the ONLY ground-based robots? There are some 22 conceptually different units currently in development, including a pair that work together to remove wounded from the battlefield while administering first aid. Each device is designed to do its job and moves in the best way to accomplish that. The Talons and SWORDS are exceptionally versatile in their movements and that is the reason they've been designed as they have.