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To: ChinuSFO who wrote (55488)	6/6/2009 5:57:00 PM
From: alanrs	Respond to of 149317

I thought the article itself was well presented. Whether he hit every point or even if I agree/disagree with it overall is immaterial, and I tend to read things like this as one persons intelligent take on something without getting emotionally involved in the article. I thought his specific take about how the vast Muslim street gets information, and the emotional twists and turns they then apply to come to what I see as 'curious' conclusions, was pretty good as far as it went. I had a friend who grew up in Iran. Heroin addict, smart guy, well employed, moved here for college and hadn't gone back. Met him in rehab, in fact, although we kept in touch for a while after, until we both relapsed and went our own ways. He had 2 particular pet peeves, referred to himself as Persian (with some pride), and always interjected that he didn't run anywhere whenever someone pronounced Iran with a long I, but I digress. He did talk about his childhood pretty candidly (in private, not group puke) and the systematic abuse of virtually everybody that he described was an eye opener. Even the men are a product of have been abused as boys. Like the freshman who is hazed mercilessly and then cruelly takes his turn as the abuser. Anyway, I try not to be too judgmental and make room for cultural differences, but also have a nose for extreme dysfunction, having spent some time in that neighborhood. As far as the comments went, it just goes to show that people read things through there own bias, and take away completely different things from the same material. Blind men and elephants. "All lies and jest, til a man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest." youtube.com To digress again, my friend Ahmed (the Persian) was involved with transferring rather large quantities of heroin in exchange for guns. It was before I met him (thank goodness as I doubt I would have survived that kind of access), but I ended up knowing a lot about Iran Contra (from a nuts and bolts perspective, not a geopolitical one) when the shit hit the fan on that one some years later. Had one of those "So that's what Ahmed was talking about" moments. I hadn't thought about Ahmed in years. He did come to mind when I read "The Kite Runner". Good book. youtube.com ARs Edit: Went looking for a good musical representation of 'the child is the father to the man' and didn't find anything I liked, so I listened to this instead. youtube.com More to my taste than Barbara. What the hell, it's Saturday and we're all dead in the long run. youtube.com