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To: Snowshoe who wrote (51634)6/22/2009 3:27:38 AM
From: Maurice Winn2 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 218881
 
TJ agrees with the Clonesville concept though his belief in it is only pro forma and will be dropped at a moment's notice when required.

It's fun to be chimpoid too, to a certain degree: <It can be fun to watch people acting chimpoid, up to a certain degree.>

One must be judicious about it because many young men went enthusiastically off to WWI only to find the reality was not quite as much fun as the idea of it. No doubt the same applies to many no holds barred tests of alpha maledom. Women, more sensibly, stay out of it, having little evolutionary need to do other than wait to see who the remaining males are.

We have had a few riots in NZ. They are fairly peaceable affairs with, I think, never a death and hardly any serious injuries. Oops, bing.com says there were deaths, 2 American in the worst-ever NZ riot: teara.govt.nz It's notable that the USA troops initiated the riot by their treatment of Maoris. Note that it was not a civil conflict but an international conflict between New Zealanders and the USA with the USA on the side of Evil.

There were also a couple of riots in 1984 and 1951 and maybe a few others of minor importance. bing.com

Mqurice



To: Snowshoe who wrote (51634)6/22/2009 4:26:32 AM
From: TobagoJack  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 218881
 
the chinese govt fears the chinese people, a good thing, and a riot or two here and there reminds the powers of who the true boss is, a wonderfully good thing, especially for folks who camp out on money rock hong kong, freedom mountain kowloon, and liberty isles macau.

those riots are constructive riots. the chinese are quite good at rioting.

<<Reminds me of a spring day ...>>

these riots were also constructive ... and as folks say, the rest is history ;0)


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Monday, Feb. 07, 1927
CHINA: Dragon v. Lion
The new and conquering Nationalist Government of South China continued last week the slow encirclement by its armies of the great international city of Shanghai.

The Nationalist Foreign Minister Eugene Chen, issued a proclamation: "A great and impressive fact must be grasped by all: the Chinese question now is not what Great Britain and other powers may wish to grant China to meet 'the legitimate aspirations of the Chinese'; but the question is what China may justly grant to Great Britain and the other powers."

As the Chinese Dragon thus breathed defiance to the world [TJ edit: funny how Time, even back then, consider the 'world' to be], the British Lion wavered almost ludicrously irresolute last week. The British War ministry was very, very busy conditioning the Lion's claws; but the British Foreign Office was even busier wagging the Lion's tail in a friendly, ingratiating fashion.

Sharp Claws. The British War Office announced that it would have 20,000 British troops in China by the end of February. Ten thousand picked infantrymen, including a battalion of the crack Coldstream Guards, embarked at London last week for China, and 450 Punjabis from British India were rushed from Hongkong to Shanghai.

News of these troop movements of course reached China by cable, and profoundly excited the Chinese. In North Chinn, now nominally friendly to the foreigner, the great War Lord Chang Tso-lin spoke through his son, Marshal Chang Hsueh-liang, in ominous fashion:

"The British are sending large forces to China. They seem to be aiming at China's throat. If foreigners attempt to strangle China they soon will find the north and south joining in a common assault upon the invaders. Brothers fight within their own home, but when attacked from, without they join forces."

Ingratiating Tail. When news of this threatening reaction in China to Britain's mobilization reached London, Foreign Secretary Sir Austen Chamberlain tried to calm the Chinese by issuing a most conciliatory statement. He said that Britain is now ready to change the whole status of foreigners in China as follows: 1) Remodeling of the system ("extraterritoriality") whereby foreign malefactors in China have been tried before consular courts of their own nation. Britain now proposes that suits brought by Britons in China shall be tried by the Chinese courts; and suits brought against Britons shall be tried under Chinese law in the British consular courts. 2) "As regards Chinese taxation," said Sir Austen, "we are prepared to make British subjects liable to pay the regular Chinese taxation not involving discrimination against British subjects or goods.

3) "As regards the British concession areas in China, we are prepared to enter into local arrangements according to particular circumstances at each port, either for the amalgamation of the administration with the adjacent areas under Chinese control, or for some other methods of handing over the administration to the Chinese while assuring to the British community some voice in municipal matters.

"In 1925 I said we would meet China half way. You will see that in this program we go much more than half way."
Unrecognized Governments. Sir Austen concluded: "For the moment there can be no new treaty, for a treaty can only be signed and ratified with a recognized Government, and owing to the conditions produced by the civil war we cannot at present recognize any Government in China as the Government of the whole country.

"In the Far East, at any rate, we are a 'nation of shopkeepers.' All we want is to keep our shops open and be on good terms with our customers."

The position of the U. S. with respect to China last week was set forth by President Coolidge and Secretary Kellogg (see NATIONAL AFFAIRS).

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To: Snowshoe who wrote (51634)6/22/2009 4:33:12 AM
From: TobagoJack  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 218881
 
<<dancer ... the way those Chinese folks won that skirmish>>


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Monday, Jan. 17, 1927
CHINA: Mouth of Han'
Chinese outnumber foreigners in China more than a thousand to one.* Yet in China the yellow men have hewn the white man's wood, drawn his water and emptied out his slops. Only recently have Chinese begun collectively to realize that they need do these chores only as long as they wish. The Chinese Nationalist movement has surged up from Canton across half China (TIME, Dec. 13); and last week the Chinaman's reluctance to go on emptying out slops indefinitely crystallized in a grave incident at Hankow,± "Chicago of China."

Bluff and Bruises. Hankow or "Mouth of Han," takes its name from the great river Han which flows into the greater Yangtze. The city lies at the confluence, with Wuchang, the new Nationalist Capital, just across the Yangtze. Daily for months the Nationalist Government has kept its agents busy telling the Chinese at Hankow the axiomatic truth that if they would all rise against the foreigners, the foreigners would have to sail away, leaving $60,000,000 worth of property behind. Last week this new and surprising thought flared up in a chattering mob of Chinamen who had believed since birth that it was better to empty slops than .hear the white man's cannon.

The mob advanced toward the British quarter. A year and a half ago a similar mob was fired on and dispersed for doing the same at Shanghai (TIME, June 15, 1925 et seq.). But a year is a year. Then the Canton National- ists were impotent. Today they hold half China. Therefore the British marines who stood with fixed bayonets to guard the British quarter received the command: "Under no circumstances fire."

The mob advanced, gibbering, flinging stones. The marines used their rifle butts as clubs, cracked a few crowns, but gently. For four hours the game of bluff and bruises continued. Once 20 coolies, armed only with sticks, bore a British marine to the ground, tore his rifle from him, plunged the bayonet into his heart. Still no shot was fired. Then, suddenly, a troop of Chinese soldiers from the Nationalist stronghold across the river arrived and dispersed the mob with a few shots. The commander blandly explained to the British that he had been delayed. No fool, the British Consul knew that he lied. The riot was a Nationalist warning.

Jack Down. Two days later a larger mob stormed the barricades of the British concession, tore them down in many places, ventured onto the Bund, screaming: "Down with British Imperialism! Kill the Britishmen!"

This time bluff and bruises availed nothing. Too many Chinamen were pouring over the barricades. Lest the mere presence of the marines provoke bloodshed they were withdrawn to British warships in the harbor. Lest the Union Jack incite to violence the British Consul hauled it down. .

A page of history turned. The gunboats could have raked Hankow, the marines could have shot down the mob—but an idea spiked the guns. John Chinaman, slop emptier, had bluffed the white man.

Evacuation. All British women and children in Hankow were rushed aboard warships in the harbor, and with them went 50 U. S women and children. The 150 Britons who were left slept together that night in a warehouse.

Yet the Chinese are a peaceful people, and still afraid of guns. They harmed no hair of a foreign head, but 100 coolies flung themselves upon the granite British war memorial, hurled it to the ground by main force. That was senseless, but typical of China, vastly symbolic.

Mr. Chen. Of course there came, unavoidably delayed," the suave Eugene Chen, Foreign Minister of the Nationalist Government. He sought the British Consul and apologized abjectly." He could not understand how the people had got so out of hand. ... But vox populi vox De', or rather "When the Han is at flood he is a fool who tries to stem it with the paddle of his sampan." . . .

With this logical metaphor in mind a shaky truce was patched up: If the British marines would stay on their ships, Chen would keep the mob out of the British concession as long as he could.

It was Hobson's choice. The British Consul agreed to let matters drift. But the British men of Hankow slept together each night in a warehouse, carried their own slops.
Poster. When the refugees from Hankow reached Shanghai they brought a sample of the poster propaganda used by the Nationalist to rouse John Chinaman against the British. The poster, like a U. S. "funnypaper" shows a series of boxed scenes. First a clean-limbed Russia extends the hand of friendships to young China. Then bloated John Bull plants his boots upon two Chinese necks. The two John Chinamen rise suddenly, toppling John Bull—for all the world like the Katzenjammer Kids upsetting the Captain. At last John Bull is bayonetted amid spurting gore by John Chinaman.

Developments. The U. S. Minister to China, John Van Antwerp MacMurray, was recalled to Washington last week by Secretary Kellogg, who, in five weeks' time, will have the benefit of a handshake with Mr. MacMurray and his personal advice. To fill in the interval, Vice Admiral Williams was despatched from Manila with five destroyers "to investigate the situation at Shanghai," the port to wliich the refugees sailed from Hankow last week, now in danger of being captured by the Nationalists. From various British naval bases four additional warships were despatched to China last week. The hour was never more grave for foreigners in China.

*With 400 million natives in the 18 provinces in China proper, as against 320 thousand foreigners

±tNot to be confused with the British created island-colony of Hongkong, far to the South. Hankow is a Chinese city of some 1,600,000 inhabitants, with U. S., British, French, German and Russian quarters normally populated by some 1,000 foreigners.
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To: Snowshoe who wrote (51634)6/22/2009 4:46:13 AM
From: TobagoJack  Respond to of 218881
 
<<The trick is to observe the action from a block or two away, preferably from a higher vantage point>>

... or through the lens of time, and if not, then protection of space, else just be righteous and luck

the people of nz resemble their most plentiful companion, and that is why they do not riot and think happiness is taxes and solitude


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Monday, Feb. 14, 1927
CHINA: Kung Hor Sun Hay!*
Pinging bullets and popping firecrackers accompanied the celebration last week of China's New Year. The bullets were pinging a scant 150 miles outside Shanghai, but in that city and most others green paper dragons a block long were writhing through the streets borne by scores of coolies. Over 500 wounded soldiers were brought in during the week from the battle lines defending Shanghai;† but simultaneously Shanghai Chinese were calling at one another's homes to pay off debts contracted during the old year and to present huge New Year's "cards" on thin red paper. New China was embattled; but old China was celebrating.

The Powers. At Washington, U. S. President Coolidge and Secretary of the Navy Wilbur prepared stealthily to deal with the Chinese. Lest it be thought that the U. S. was rushing too many armed forces to China (TIME, Jan. 31) these statesmen designed a stratagem. They caused the transport Chaumont to sail from San Diego, Calif., loaded to the scuppers with U. S. marines last week, but announced that she was merely sailing for "a secret destination in the Orient."

British statesmen, not so subtle, baldly admitted that 12,000 British troops were being rushed to China last week—thereby enraging both the northern and southern factions of the Chinese Civil War.

Retaliation. The northern War Lord, Chang Tso-lin, expressed his displeasure by knocking out the kingpin of the whole fiscal structure upon which foreign loans to China rest. The structure is the Chinese Maritime Customs Bureau, the duties collected by which are pledged to the repayment of the foreign loans. The kingpin was Sir Francis Arthur Aglen, the Inspector General of Customs, under whom 1,000 foreign customs clerks have worked since his appointment in 1911. Last week Chang dismissed Sir Francis, threatened to replace him and all his foreign clerks with Chinese. If this is done, and "gotten away with," the customs revenues will most certainly be diverted from repayment of the foreign loans.

Defy. The southern faction likewise retaliated upon Britain. Nationalist (southern) Foreign Minister Eugene Chen promptly broke off negotiations concerning the safety of Britons and their property in China (TIME, Jan. 24); and took the unprecedented and insulting course of ignoring the British Government and cabling over its head an appeal to the British Labor Party. Chen declared that "the British decline in Far Asia" will continue "until British Labor is entrusted by England with the task . . . of substituting the statesmanship of peace and productive work for the [British] Tory statesmanship of imperialism, war and Byzantine glory."

Churchill Explodes. Though the British Government could, of course, take no official notice of Chen's deliberate insult, an explosive retort was made ex officio by Chancellor Winston S. Churchill of the British Exchequer, who compared Chen to A. J. ("Emperor") Cook, famed ringleader of the British Coal Strike (TIME, May 10 to Nov. 29). Cried Arch-Tory

Churchill: "Last year we had Mr. Cook. This year we have Mr. Chen. One rose among the murky coal pits in Britain, and the other was nurtured in the balmy air of far Cathay. When I say the balmy air of far Cathay, I am not certain that balmy elements have not found representation in both cases. Cook is an orator, Chen is a literary man. Both, curiously enough, seem to draw inspiration from the same fount: air.

"Nothing is further from our intentions than to be drawn into an adventurous, aggressive or ambitious Byzantine policy in China. All we want to do in China is trade with China. We regard the 400,000,000 of Chinese as potential friends and customers. Almost the last thing you usually do with a potential customer is to shoot him. The last thing to wish is that the potential customer should shoot you."

Eugene Chen. Who is this Chinese with whom the august Chancellor of the Exchequer deigned to bandy words? In 1878 he was born in Trinidad, British West Indies; went to London, qualified as a solicitor (lawyer) and enjoyed a successful practice for some years in the capital of the very power he is now fighting tooth and nail.

In 1912 he emigrated to the land of his race, joining the Chinese Government service in Peking. Later he edited, and still later bought the Peking Gazette. At the close of 1917 he was in jail for writing anti-Japanese articles. Pardoned, he joined the Nationalist party of the late Dr. Sun Yatsen, at Canton, and was sent to the Paris Peace Conference with the Cantonese representative, Dr. C. C. Wu. When the new Nationalist Government began its conquest of South China (TIME, April 5) he became its "Foreign Minister.

Chen's luck is proverbial. In 1925 he was kidnaped by soldiers of Chang Tso-lin, against whom he is now fighting, and carried in chains before Chang. That barbaric War Lord, who slaughters even his own followers if they displease him (TIME, July 19), yielded to a whim and let Chen go. "Eugene Chen" is, of course, merely the Anglicism which he adopted as a London lawyer to translate his Chinese name: Chen Yu-jen.


* "Happy New Year !" † (TIME, Feb. 7, et ante) The Civil War now going on is between North and South China, the northern factions holding Peking and Shanghai, and the new Nationalist army which has conquered the southern hah! of China pushing northward with Shanghai as its immediate objective.
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