To: LLCF who wrote (2666 ) 6/25/2009 5:37:44 PM From: Greg or e Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 69300 How could such a simple question cause you to experience such apoplexy. It's actually quite funny to watch you going through various conniptions and contortions to avoid an obvious conclusion simply because you don't like the answer. I've had two 18 hr workdays in a row so I'm not running away like you had hoped for. Lets recap minus all the insults and obfuscations that you use to avoid answering a direct question. Note. I'll have to break this into sections or it would be too long. First post on the subject, was a response to your name calling. As a Catholic are you not a "wacko creationist" by definition; or are you an Atheist Catholic?Message 25722420 Your response was to post an article by a Catholic scientist who wants to have it both ways but fails to back up his views with anything but bare assertion. He also attacks Intelligent design. Does that mean that he thinks God is not intelligent or that the universe has no design to it? Who knows? As we will see however the links you post are often contradictory to your position "Christianity is “radically creationist, ” Father George V. Coyne said, but it is not best described by the “crude creationism” of the fundamental, literal, scientific interpretation of Genesis or by the Newtonian dictatorial God who makes the universe tick along like a watch. Rather, he stresses, God acts as a parent toward the universe, nurturing, encouraging and working with it."catholic.org Note my first post was predicated on the fact that Catholics all believe in a Creator God and are therefore Creationists. What does a definition of Creationism entail? "Creationism is the belief that humanity, life, the Earth, and the universe were created in their original form by a deity (often the Abrahamic God of Judaism, Christianity and Islam) or deities.[1] In a broad sense, it covers a wide range of interpretations of beliefs that a supernatural force such as a deity intervenes, or has intervened, directly in the natural world." en.wikipedia.org ........................................ creationism 1. The Catholic doctrine that each individual human soul is created by God, as opposed to traducianism 2. Any creationary belief, especially a belief that the origin of things is due to an event or process of creation brought about by the deliberate act of any divine agency, such as a Creator god. 2006, Philip Clayton, Zachary R. Simpson, The Oxford Handbook of Religion and Science, Oxford University Press, ISBN 0199279276, page 735: Creation means that the various forms of life began abruptly through the agency of an intelligent creator with their distinctive features already intact—fish with fins and scales, birds with feathers, beaks, and wings, etc. 3. The creationary beliefs of Judaism, Christianity, Hinduism or Islam. 4. The theological controversy concerning the origin of the human species, and other living beings, and especially questioning in what sense if any the creationary acts of God are considered a matter of historical fact 5. The subject of a debate concerning origins and the findings of science, focused on the degree to which the theory of evolution is compatible with religious belief in the Creator. en.wiktionary.org Stay tuned: More to come