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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: TimF who wrote (81193)6/26/2009 8:17:22 PM
From: Solon  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 82486
 
"Or perhaps they could have some third level where we give them more legal rights than most animals but still don't recognize them as the moral equivalent of, and as possessing the same rights as, humans"

Oh...I get it. The so-called "natural rights" you attributed to sentient aliens (who could very well be like a dolphin or like a sentient centipede with a lot of feet) are rights we "grant" them or "give" them, huh?

YOU have decided that YOU want a human zygote to have "rights". So a human zygote has "potential sentience" and (by your say so) "natural rights", while an alien from another planet has "natural rights" too (as long as we can't address it as an actual issue so that it remains hypothetical!)--but YOU have decided that YOU don't want a terrestrial alien (such as a dolphin) to have "natural rights" because YOU don't want it to be equivalent to a human, SO...you either deny it has sentience(it is more like an ape, huh??) OR you will give or grant it (reduced) rights after your next board meeting.

Sidestep, twist, somersault, and roll...but just DAMN SURE GIVE or GRANT that (human) zygote "natural rights"--but don't give or grant "natural rights" to the potential sentience scientifically attributed to the dolphin zygote.

And forget the fact that if it is a cake you are after then ALL the ingredients have "potential sentience" whether or not they have been mixed....so EVERY sperm and EVERY egg has potential sentience, as well.

Simply put: ANY dolphin has infinitely more sentience than ANY human zygote. You can "Give" or "Grant" the rights to the zygote, however, while denying the "granting" and the "giving" to the dolphin--but that is no more about "natural" than making Blacks sit at the back of the bus.

POTENTIAL SENTIENCE as a guidepost for "natural rights" fails miserably unless you can get rid of all the contradictions in your argument.

I will check back tomorrow. If you have moved the issue along I will probably respond. If you have simply hidden the same false argument in a new word omelette then I probably won't. But it was good chatting with you again...