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To: Rambi who wrote (114139)	6/29/2009 12:04:53 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 541429

Krugman diminishes his influence with that silliness. I, obviously, don't join you in that judgment. I see Krugman's comment as irony on top of irony. As for serious disagreements, Krugman makes the point that did not take place. The opponents on the floor of the House did not speak from a different understanding of the science, having worked their way through at some level. But rather simply ridiculed the science. I would not have used that particularly phrase but the state of the opposition on this point is something we will all regret down the road. It's not a principled opposition, at least not in the members of Congress who speak about it. We are in deep trouble on climate issues. And the science gets more dire all the time. We need serious conversation from opponents.

To: Rambi who wrote (114139)	6/29/2009 12:17:38 PM
From: Steve Lokness	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 541429

Rambi; You are undecided about GW. You are unconvinced by Krugmans argument - maybe even turned off a little? Can you get into the following argument; Do you think that the transfer of wealth from America to third world countries is good for America? Boone Pickens the oil calls it the biggest transfer of wealth ever done. ....... We don't fight for democracy in Sudan - should we fight for it in Iraq? Well of course the point is that we are not fighting for democracy but are fighting to protect our oil supply. But by being chicken unable to allow the REAL cost of oil to be paid at the gas pump, we pretend the war is for some fuzzy reason that is just false. ......America has a huge increase in the numbers of cancers, people with allergies and asthma. Should the medical cost of these things - some of which are related to pollution - be applied to the cost of oil? How about the human cost? .....Other countries have rocketed past America in their production of green technology. These are great jobs that make those countries stronger in two ways; first the economic advantage they provide with good jobs, and second they have less dependance on that dwindling finite resource - oil. .....And what if the GW alarmist are right? Are you willing to bet the welfare of your children on our continual OIL gluttony - when its just stupid to do so based on pragmatic reasons based only on conservative ideology?