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To: tejek who wrote (57692)	7/5/2009 4:21:42 PM
From: Mac Con Ulaidh	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 149317

good post. I couldn't bring myself to respond to its nonsense about women resenting Palin, or Angelie whosit of the ugly lips (sorry, but her lips got way too much pumper-upper in them). I found it interesting the article focused on females not liking these two women becuase they so... what? A proudly uneducated woman and a bad actress. That says more about the author than about women. yes, we can disern between a brilliant woman, ala Hillary (even if we disagree with her), and a dunce. And yes we can dicern between a great actress who is beautiful (ala Greta Garbo) and a goofball bad actress ala Jolie. If we don't like them, perhaps it is that they truly suck at what they do and we expect more. And I know many a 'liberal' woman who has children and works a job, without quitting it early, and stays married to a liberal man who doesn't run off to his 'exotic' babe. interesting.

To: tejek who wrote (57692)	7/5/2009 4:52:08 PM
From: koan	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 149317

I think the thesis regarding Palin is how clear her real personality and shortcomings are to you and I, and how the right wing loves her. Palin is the perfect metaphore for the divide between the right and left. I cannot believe CNN is still reporting little except Michael Jackson. Iran and Hondures on the brink and CNN does nothing but Jackson for two weeks.

To: tejek who wrote (57692)	7/5/2009 4:55:15 PM
From: one_less	Respond to of 149317

"If she is the woman you all tout as your great female hope, then you all don't understand what was meant when people talked about liberating women." I don't know who this 'all' is you keep referring to, I speak only for my self, as all-ways. I understood it. Shoooot, I've lived among the heathens most_o_ma_life. From the commune era in the Pacific Northwest to modern days of stepping over dead white men's bodies while climbing the corporate ladder. Long enough at least to have changed my understanding from what was understood initially, where a the predicted was 'softer more collaborative social structure,' which now seems rather ironic. USA: "According to the Rape, Abuse, and Incest National Network (RAINN) Statistics website , there were 247,730 victims of rape, attempted rape or sexual assault in the United States in 2002. Approximately 87,000 of these were victims of completed rape." This is in fact what we've come to and if the trends continue we will see gigantic leaps in the crimes of human trafficking and violence that will make those statistics an ant hill against the future mountain of marauding chaos. Lift the veil my friend and take another look at the realities of our generation. We traded a great deal for social structure we began to engineer several decades ago. Much of it is good but what we did not seem to care about at the time was the protective nature of families and extended families who depend upon and compliment one another. We are now paying for that over sight. wrt Palin, whether or not she could ever lead at the Federal level is all speculation. Leaders must, after all, have the confidence of the mass culture, not just one section of it. She is, however, a remarkable and decent woman who has accomplished a great deal in a short time, and is an excellent role model for females of the family values culture ... something you are too embarrassed about to recognise.