To: Paul Kern who wrote (255 ) 7/11/2009 12:28:34 PM From: TH Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 310 Paul, <g> Ain't it the truth. GAS (guitar acquisition syndrome) is incurable. I've played some really decent Seagulls, but never owned one. I find that you have to play a lot of examples in this range to find one that has "it". I believe that modern manufacturing is actually producing more average guitars than great ones. Wood, as you know, is not quantifiable. Thus application of CNN to guitar production will produce a distribution of many average guitars and a few great ones. The great ones being those that the stiffness and tonetap of that piece of wood reaching its maximum potential falling within the standard parameters of the machining and bracing process for that manufacturer. With that said, I was able to locate two Larivee dreads for friends in the sub 500 range that were exceptional. I had to play a lot of them to find them, but they are out there. As for wood types, I could go on for hours and hours about cedar vs the spruces (Englemann, Sitka, German/Alpine, and Adirondack, in order of stiffness). I love German and Adirondack, but all are good. I will say this about cedar, nothing sounds as good from day one, but it will never get significantly better over time. As you know, a used guitar is always better than a new one. More playing time with a spruce and you get better tone. Also, cedar does not have the headroom for hard strumming if that is your thing, and cedar is always suspect for more repairs. Bridges pulling off and cracks are significantly higher for cedar. But cedar has a wonderful dark and warm tone and I love it. Perfect for fingerstyle and Olsen, Ryan, and Goodall all love to build it with it and they are three of the world's best. There are so many great values in used today. I give you three resources to check. There are very good deals to be had right now.acousticguitarforum.com Here you will find the biggest selection and the best prices.collingsforum.com Good deals here too, but more high end.elderly.com For a store, these guys do volume. Fair prices, huge selection, and very accurate descriptions. Do not delay if you see something you want. Good stuff is gone in just a few hours. Good Luck TH