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Politics : Liberalism: Do You Agree We've Had Enough of It? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (68300)	7/11/2009 11:30:48 AM
From: lorne	1 Recommendation Respond to of 224744

Here kenny read this if you dare and then read the next post to you...have a good look at your demi god. Barack Obama backs a Taliban Supporter in Kenya Saturday, January 05, 2008 directorblue.blogspot.com Sarah Hussein Obama of Kenya, Barack Obama’s stepgrandmother, is a lifelong Muslim. “I am a strong believer of the Islamic faith,” she says. So noted an April 2007 New York Times profile of Barack Obama. Kenya is in the news again and, like much of Africa, the reports are horrifying. This past weekend, women and children -- entire families -- were burned alive as a crowd of Kenyans torched a church where they had gathered to protect themselves. The violence broke out after a disputed election in which populist challenger Raila Odinga was defeated. Odinga had even hired Dick Morris as a consultant. Jack Wheeler writes: When Raila Odinga lost the presidential election last week (12/27) to Mwai Kibaki, he claimed the vote was rigged, whereupon his tribal followers went on murderous rampages such as in the town of Eldoret, where on New Years Day dozens of people were burned to death in a church set on fire... Throughout Kenya, hundreds of people have been politically murdered in the last few days. ...Raila has now made a deal for support from the Soviets' successors as world-champion enemies of the West and democratic freedoms: Muslim fundamentalists... The Evangelical Alliance of Kenya has posted on its website a photograph copy of a Memorandum of Understanding, dated and signed on August 29, 2007, between Raila Odinga and Shiekh Abdullah Abdi, chairman of the National Muslim Leaders Forum of Kenya... It gets worse. If you read through the agreement that Obama's friend signed with the National Muslim Leaders Forum, you'll find that Kenya is destined to turn into an African version of Talibanistan. * "Popularize Islam, the only true religion... by ordering every primary school in Kenya in the regions to conduct daily Madrassa classes." * "Impose a total ban on open-air gospel crusades by worshippers of the cross..." * "Outlaw gospel programs... on KBC, the National Broadcaster." * "Impose a total ban on the public consumption of alcoholic beverages..." * "Impose an immediate ban on women's public dressing styles that are considered immoral and offensive to the Muslim faith..." Obama's friend, in other words, is setting the stage for a transformation of Kenya into a Muslim state, similar to that which governed Afghanistan during the days of the Taliban. Note that the mainstream media hasn't reported a single word regarding the true nature of Kenya's unrest -- nor Obama's involvement with Odinga and the onset of a Taliban-style Sharia law in Kenya. Barack Obama and Raila Odinga and the Post Election Violence in Kenya nigeriantimes.blogspot.com

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (68300)	7/11/2009 11:31:24 AM
From: lorne	Respond to of 224744

Government in crisis talks as Annan hands over secret envelope to the ICC Published on 10/07/2009 By David Ohito eastandard.net Dr Kofi Annan, the chief mediator during Kenya’s darkest hour in 2007/08 election violence, struck like lightning. The shockwave is still furrowing through the land. His steps were stealth, simple and yet symbolic — but could well mark Kenya’s turning point. Annan deftly handed over Kenya, which has been haggling over The Hague option and a local tribunal, to International Criminal Court Prosecutor Luis Moreno-Ocampo. Striking as Kenya’s political class raced against time to set up a local tribunal of international repute before the end of next August deadline, Annan triggered a flurry of questions over why he lost his patience yesterday. Annan set off a process in which Kenyan leaders could soon be indicted and slapped with warrants of arrests by the ICC, which is said to have began its own investigations. Usually, suspects slapped with warrants of arrests by the ICC could be arrested on the soil of any nation that — like Kenya — is signatory to the Rome Statute, if the suspects’ nations of origin refuse to hand them over. Crisis meeting On receiving the news, President Kibaki immediately convened a crisis meeting at Harambee House. Prime Minister Raila Odinga and the team that met Annan and Ocampo -— Justice Minister Mutula Kilonzo, Attorney-General Amos Wako, Lands Minister James Orengo, the Premier’s Advisor on Coalition Affairs Miguna Miguna and Justice Assistant Minister William Cheptumo attended. And this was just one of the many high-profile meetings of the day that had the face of an emergency and which cast the picture of a Government caught flat-footed. But later in the evening, at a press conference where the usually chatty delegation did not field even a single question, the members told the country they would comply with Ocampo’s demands for a local tribunal that would meet the ICC’s standards – meaning that there would be no termination of cases when the process gets under way, and the clamour for amnesty. The State would also guarantee the safety of witnesses. They also said they had briefed the President and the Premier and would uphold recommendations made by Justice Philip Waki’s Commission. But most importantly, they reported: "The Government has dispatched…a report on the current status of post-election violence related cases. The Government has also dispatched a copy of the Witness Protection Act, Regulations made thereunder as well as steps taken to set up the Witness Protection Unit.’’ Ministers in Hague However, the doors to The Hague were not completely opened as Kenya was given a window of opportunity — but which would require a miracle and statesmanship to overcome. The Principals must in the next few days get Parliament to open the door for a local tribunal, or face the prospect of having some of their ministers starring in The Hague, just as did the late Yugoslav President Slobodan Milosevic. The small window for Kenya to escape The Hague was discernible from the statement: "Annan welcomed the Government of Kenya’s renewed efforts to implement the recommendations of the Waki Commission and to establish a Special Tribunal", but on condition, "any judicial mechanism adopted to bring the perpetrators of the post-election violence to justice must meet international legal standards and be broadly debated with all sectors of the Kenyan society in order to bring credibility to the process." Confidential sources said Annan was angered the Government’s delegation to snub him after a trip to The Hague. The delegation flew straight to Kenya without briefing him as had been agreed at their earlier meeting. Sources in Government revealed that Annan lost hope after a Cabinet minister in his Geneva meeting spun stories about Kenya getting a 360-day extension, besides diminishing hope that the Government could break Parliament’s cynicism and resistance. It did not help matters that there was no sign that President Kibaki and PM Raila would achieve much, given that time was running out fast. In his statement, Annan was blunt: "Justice delayed is justice denied. The people of Kenya want to see concrete progress on impunity. Without such progress, the reconciliation between ethnic groups and the long-term stability of Kenya is in jeopardy." Prime movers Annan wrote to Kibaki and Raila after he handed over his sealed envelope and supporting materials on suspected prime movers of the post-election bloodbath, which were entrusted to him by the Waki Commission. "I wish to inform you that the Panel of Eminent African Personalities has handed over to the Prosecutor of International Criminal Court, the sealed envelope and supporting materials entrusted to me by the Waki Commission on 17th October 2008,’’ he told the President and Raila in separate letters. As the news hit home, President Kibaki convened an urgent meeting with members of the Kenyan delegation to Annan in Geneva and Ocampo at The Hague last week to discuss the ramification of the surprise move. On the table could have been Ocampo’s own warning to Kenya on Thursday when asked whether Kibaki and Raila could be in his loop. The ICC prosecutor responded firmly that the political rank and file would not stop him from pursuing anyone. He said he wanted to make the Kenyan case a lesson in the world on the price of impunity and triumph of civilians against their leaders. The spotlight also turned on Kenya as civil society organisations and human rights activists asked the ICC to ensure a diluted judicial process was not enacted to try suspects locally. Annan’s team of Eminent African Personalities enjoined in the statement were former Tanzanian President Benjamin Mkapa and Mrs GraÁa Machel, the wife of anti-Apartheid hero and former South African President Nelson Mandela.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (68300)	7/11/2009 11:36:31 AM
From: lorne	Respond to of 224744

kenny..."That would be hoping for a police state in the US. Is that what you want? The CIA operating as a secret police in the US?".... How long has the CIA been operating in the USA?? Is/was America a police state?? And why would any even semi intelligent person want to alert their ememies as to what they are doing????????????????????????????????????????????????????? And YES that is what I would want...but NOT if hussein obama is in charge..IMO he is dangerous to America and the rest of the free world.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (68300)	7/11/2009 11:46:15 AM
From: jmhollen	Respond to of 224744

I'd vote for, and may even contact, the CIA to start checking your email, cell calls, home phone, ISP, tweets, blogs, smoke signals, and two-cans-&-a-string-network to your neighbor's house. You're obviously as wacked out and dangerous as Dingy Harry, Pukosi and the rest of the Leaky D-Mob. The FBI should also stop by review all the 'deleted files' on your Commodore 64's remote hard drive for commie propaganda, Islamic donations, and Al Qaeda plot files........ Where were you on 9-11, at an airport somewhere distracting the security guards..?!? .

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (68300)	7/11/2009 4:44:38 PM
From: longnshort	Respond to of 224744

AP Interview: Hayden says Congress was informed Jul 11 04:08 PM US/Eastern By PAMELA HESS Associated Press Writer Comments (0) Share on Facebook Bookmark and Share WASHINGTON (AP) - Former CIA Director Gen. Michael Hayden angrily struck back Saturday at assertions the Bush administration's post-9/11 surveillance program was more far-reaching than imagined and was largely concealed from congressional overseers. In an interview with The Associated Press, Hayden maintained that top members of Congress were kept well-informed all along the way, notwithstanding protests from some that they were kept in the dark. "One of the points I had in every one of the briefings was to make sure they understood the scope of our activity 'They've got to know this is bigger than a bread box,' I said," said Hayden, who also previously headed the National Security Agency. "At the political level this had support," said the one-time CIA chief, jumping foursquare into an escalating controversy that has caused deep political divisions and lingering debate on the counterterrorism policies of an administration now out of power. Hayden was reacting to a report issued Friday by a team of U.S. inspectors general which called the surveillance program in the wake of the Sept. 11, 2001 terror attacks "unprecedented." The report also questioned the program's legal rationale and the excessive secrecy that enshrouded it. Hayden, who in 2001 designed and carried out the secret program, told The AP he is distressed by suggestions that Congress was not fully informed. He said that he personally briefed top lawmakers on the entire surveillance operation and said he felt that they supported it. The details of the wider surveillance program described by the federal investigative report remain classified. The program included the wiretapping of American phone and computer lines and was intended to detect communications from the al-Qaida terrorist network. That was revealed by the New York Times in 2005 and later confirmed by then-President George W. Bush. Several Democratic members of the House and Senate expressed surprise and concern Friday about the still-secret surveillance program. Hayden asserted that just weeks after Bush approved the activity, senior Republicans and Democrats on the intelligence committees in the House and Senate started getting briefed regularly on its details. He said these sessions happened about four times a year. Hayden also said the number of lawmakers informed was intentionally kept small because the program was highly classified. On occasion, he said, the briefing audience was expanded to include top members of the House and Senate leadership as well. Hayden also said that the members of Congress who were briefed were told the average daily level of surveillance activity and the cumulative activity since the program started. And he said the meetings nearly always occurred at the White House, with Vice President Dick Cheney in attendance. The Bush surveillance program has been contentious since it was first revealed, raising concerns about the extent of secret activities undertaken since the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington and the potential violation of civil liberties. Indeed, the report released Friday said that most of the information gathered under the wider program ultimately did not have any connection to terrorism. It was so secret that few members of Bush's inner circle were "read in" on program. Even John Ashcroft, who was attorney general at the time, got an accurate description of one surveillance activity only two years after he first certified it as legal. And his initial request to brief his chief of staff and deputy on the program were refused by the White House. Just what those activities involved remains classified, but the report released Friday pointedly said that any continued use of the information gathered in the secret programs must be "carefully monitored." Bush authorized the warrantless wiretapping program under the authority of a secret court in 2006, and Congress approved most of the intercepts in a 2008 electronic surveillance law. The fate of the remaining and still-classified aspects of the wider surveillance program is not clear from the report. In the interview Saturday, Hayden called the program extremely valuable and said that it served as an early warning system to help prevent further al-Qaida attacks. Some members of Congress are calling for a full independent inquiry and others are urging further congressional investigations. Rep. Jane Harman, D-Calif., told The AP Friday that she was shocked by the report. She said she asked former White House counsel Alberto Gonzales—after the wiretapping was revealed in 2005—whether the government was conducting any other undisclosed intelligence activities. She said he told her there were no additional operations. Robert Bork Jr., Gonzales' spokesman, said Friday: "It has clearly been determined that he did not intend to mislead anyone." In a separate but related move, House Democrats are pressing for legislation that would expand congressional access to secret intelligence briefings. The Obama administration has threatened to veto it over concerns about protecting secrecy.

To: Kenneth E. Phillipps who wrote (68300)	7/11/2009 9:10:43 PM
From: MJ	4 Recommendations Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 224744

Kenneth Remember the Clintons and their files that they kept on their list of people------this came out right after they came to Washington-----just before the Vince Foster episode. Spying on Americans. These are not normal times-------these are times when the safety of America and yes even your corner of America require constant vigilance. The question here is----- why does Mr. Panetta want to take away capabilities that are needed in the war on terrorism. The fact is we are now beyond 'wire taypping'------every message that you write, every message I write on the net is subject to scrutiny. While you are not a terrorist nor am I---------there are others who are terrorists------so I accept this scrutiny if anyone really wants to read my opinions------ knowing that this is some of the privacy that I and others must relinquish to get to the suspected terrorists and the terrorists. If you are going to criticize the CIA then at least do it equally and criticize all of the other Federal Agencies who keep dossies on Americans------such as financial transactions, medical records, family information, work records. mj