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To: Steve Lokness who wrote (115908)	7/20/2009 12:04:49 PM
From: Bearcatbob	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541957

"What is broken is that we have the highest cost health care by far but fall to one of the lowest in the developed word when it comes to our health. IOW, we aren't getting what we pay for." This is an issue where John Edwards was sadly right. We are a nation of two worlds. We need to recognize that many of us get excellent care and do get what we pay for. An additional many do not - and their health status drags down the national figures. In many ways education is the same thing. The US simply cannot be compared to other more homogeneous societies. We have special circumstances and special needs. This issue is not something solved in a couple of weeks with a vacation deadline. It is time for the promised leadership to show up.

To: Steve Lokness who wrote (115908)	7/20/2009 12:20:28 PM
From: slacker711	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 541957

What has been lost in the health care discussion/debate is .....what is broken. What are we trying to fix. In the rush to get something, anything passed, Obama has lost the high road and I would argue he has lost his focus on what he is trying to accomplish. What is broken; Some think it is the number of people covered - bull! The problem is that the liberal wing of the Democratic party fundamentally disagrees with you. They see coverage expansion as the first and foremost goal with cost reduction coming later. It isnt hard to see how it would happen. First you get the expansion of coverage through a giant new government program. When costs escalate through the roof, you get the rationing of care necessary to get the costs under control. People wouldnt accept the 2nd step upfront, but once the government is the primary provider of health care in this country it will be substantially easier to push through the cost controls. Slacker