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To: Bearcatbob who wrote (116362)	7/23/2009 4:52:46 PM
From: epicure	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542058

I thought your horse analogy was too sill and simplistic to address, plus it was to John, and I figured I could save myself some time and just skip it. Contrary to your belief, it was not my inability to address it that created the vacuum for you, but the fact that I am busy. However, since you really want someone to address it, here is what I think. The economy is cyclic. The period we are in right now is not the fault of Bush or Obama, it is simple part of a large cycle- a cycle even more poorly understood than climate change, though those who think no one could understand the climate, appear to believe understanding the economy is easy. To which I say "phooey". The "race horses" of other countries with more socialized societies do quite well, in some cases just as well as our horses. You really wouldn't expect that if your horse really won the race. I think it's funny you thought people didn't respond to you because of the brilliance of your argument. It's far more likely that people don't respond to posts because they are busy, are not interested in your tone or method of presenting something, or they just think what you've said is stupid. It's always unwise to assume you are not getting comments because people think your post is brilliant. In future I'd put that baby horse to bed.

To: Bearcatbob who wrote (116362)	7/23/2009 5:48:31 PM
From: cosmicforce	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542058

>>they simply do not understand it. << Can you see how such a statement might be considered foolish or ignorant? Are there ZERO liberal/Democrat/progressive rich people or entrepreneurs? Ben and Jerry didn't understand wealth creation? Perhaps they just have a different take on it from you with different priorities. My kids all have me as a "friend" on Facebook. Lots of parents aren't "friended" by their kids and who does this hurt? The parents or the kids...? I see things on my kids pages I don't like - I see comments from friends of theirs I don't like. Do I go on the warpath and try to correct every infraction? What I do get is a level of transparency and trust that more strict parents don't get. There are many ways to skin a cat and to make assumptions about people because they are "liberal" or "conservative" is inane. It is all about issues and personal action. I'm what I like to call a gun-toting liberal - what does that make me? A person who can simultaneously understand the 2nd Amendment and its benefit when I'm camping with my telescope 100 miles from the nearest town, while simultaneously appreciating that increased urban gun ownership is probably not correlated to a better safer society. There will have to be negotiated interfaces on this issue. Do I want some drunken lout carrying a firearm at the theme park when I'm there with my kids? Probably not.

To: Bearcatbob who wrote (116362)	7/23/2009 6:27:07 PM
From: Wharf Rat	Respond to of 542058

"You cannot make the HORSE run faster by adding more weight." How 20th century. We're giving the horse steroids. Ain't no pee tests in this race.

To: Bearcatbob who wrote (116362)	7/23/2009 7:58:50 PM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542058

Go back and look at the race horse analogy. No one cared to touch that one - why? Say again. I don't recall seeing anything like that. Care to pull that statement up again. I'll be happy to discuss it. It, most likely, looked like a throwaway line.

To: Bearcatbob who wrote (116362)	7/23/2009 8:40:37 PM
From: Cogito	Respond to of 542058

>>It is not that they do not think they don't care about wealth creation - they simply do not understand it. << BCB - Right. That must be why there are no rich Democrats. Oh, wait. There are lots of them. Warren Buffet is a Democrat, to select one example at random. I think that if anyone understands wealth creation, he does. - Allen

To: Bearcatbob who wrote (116362)	7/23/2009 9:22:58 PM
From: spiral3	Respond to of 542058

No one cared to touch that one - why? - growth, or winning the race at any cost, does not cover all the bases. - despite horses without jockeys winning races, they don’t win. Those are the rules, same applies here, - adding the properties of the weight (Cap & Trade, regulations x,y & z) to the horse is simply a restatement of your bias, which was already very apparent to all. - your dogma becomes more outdated with every post. - not all analogies are equally effective, perhaps that’s another reason. - i’m sure we’re all always thinking that things could be done better. - Dead Jockey Rides to Victory ultimatehorsesite.com

To: Bearcatbob who wrote (116362)	7/24/2009 9:56:57 AM
From: biotech_bull	Respond to of 542058

Go back and look at the race horse analogy. No one cared to touch that one - why? Bob, As MP has already pointed out, it is very simplistic. As an analogy it doesn't even translate to other races - for example, a heavier car with a better engine and driver would beat a lighter car. And races are linear, while the economy is an example of non-linear complex systems that often behave counterintuitively. Your concerns are legit but six months is too short a time to jump to conclusions about an economic policy. Volcker and Greenspan are recent cautionary tales of how long it takes to vindicate or discredit an economic policy. bb