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To: Oblomov who wrote (212161)	7/23/2009 11:40:53 PM
From: GraceZ	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 306849

I'm surprised that the center-left does not support HSAs, even a subsidized form of them Because on the left the rights of the individual have to be restricted in favor of the common good. People have to be protected from themselves and the larger community from their decisions even if it means stripping away any and all independence. I have a sister-in-law who is about 9 years older than I am, thus eligible for Medicare this year or next. The last time the subject of government provided universal health coverage came up she said, "This is what I really want." I told her, she was about to become eligible for Medicare and her young son could get cheaper coverage in the private market than any government plan so why was she so hot to get into it. She looked at me disgusted and said, "I don't want Medicare." Then I asked her what it was she thought government provided insurance was going to look like because most surely it was going to be modeled after Medicare with it's 80/20 co-pay and half the people needing Mediaid to plug the gap and the other half needing to pay for Medi-gap insurance from the same private market she distained. She had this idealized vision of the government provided care with no bill and few limitations. The left is forever applying these idealized visions of what they think government programs could look like if only good people like ourselves ran them and ignoring the actual outcomes. So my thinking is that they will never embrace anything that makes a concrete connection between paying for something and what you get. They want to maintain this notion of the state as a benevolent fairy god mother who pays the bill. While in actuality, the bill isn't being paid, it is accumulating or more correctly being paid for with borrowings from people who have far less access to healthcare than we do, the Chinese.