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To: Bearcatbob who wrote (116390)	7/24/2009 9:43:41 AM
From: JohnM	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 542155

It is not about a zero weight - it is about changes in weight. What we have now is increasing uncertainty in labor costs, increasing uncertainty in energy costs and new uncertainties in the rule of law. On the plus side we have very cheap money. Two things are necessary - first certainty and second some help to ease the burden of new government imposed costs. In my mind economic growth and hence the well being we all claim to want requires the economy to function better. The added burdens working their way through Congress will hurt - not help - imo. Good, I thought you weren't arguing for "zero weight" but it was the logical conclusion of your analogy. But let me look at each of these. They are look at matters from the point of business owners/managers rather than either workers or the social whole. But having said that, I need a bit more information. You say "uncertainty in labor costs." My impression is that they are going down (always a good from the folks in your social location but not so for laborers and not necessarily so from the viewpoint of the social whole) so I'm a bit unclear what the uncertainty is save that there is always uncertainty. On the energy costs, I gather your concern is the cap and trade measures. I see the uncertainty in energy costs as a long term matter as much as a short term matter. And the only way we get the long term uncertainties under some degree of control is to reduce our dependence on fossil fuels and start a long term US development growth in environmentally friendly energy. The short term is always going to get worse if we don't address this long term issue. As for uncertainties in the rule of law, I have no idea what you have in mind. I need a bit more information.

To: Bearcatbob who wrote (116390)	7/24/2009 10:42:23 AM
From: Steve Lokness	Respond to of 542155

Bearcat; (ie weight on or off the horse) .....The economy has been functioning on the basis of the prevailing conditions. This all sounds like horse crap to me. Once again I use the example of the auto makers which you just seem to ignore; If what you say was actually true - our car makers should be doing very well especially when compared to car makers in countries with all those things you seem to think are so evil. What we have now is increasing uncertainty* in labor costs, increasing uncertainty in energy costs and new uncertainties in the rule of law.* Uncertainty - or rather a move more towards Europe. So what are you expecting? That our manufacturing base will crumble under these weights? They already have. We have crumbled while - again using the car makers as an example - Europe has done very well. And they get scads of vacation time! I like that idea too. steve