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To: bentway who wrote (498431)	7/27/2009 10:26:29 AM
From: longnshort	2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1576172

"How does this work Dave? According to you, the government health care will be horrible. So, why will anyone choose it? It's common knowledge that the government can't run anything - right?" you will be forced to join. Obama will clear out all your bank accts if you don't

To: bentway who wrote (498431)	7/27/2009 10:50:28 AM
From: i-node	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1576172

According to you, the government health care will be horrible. So, why will anyone choose it? Horrible in what sense? A bureaucracy to deal with? Sure. But the price will be right and employers wanting subsidized health care (like Walmart) will jump into it with both feet, as it will be "better than nothing". Doesn't the free market produce the very best product? Won't people still WANT that product? Yes, and yes, but only the wealthy will be able to afford it because the private plans cannot begin to compete with the public plan because (a) the public plan has a bottomless pit of money from the taxpayers, and (b) the private plans will be subsidizing the public plans like they are now but to a much larger extent. So, the price of private plans will continue to escalate until there are only two left -- the one for Congress, and the one for Billionaires.

To: bentway who wrote (498431)	7/27/2009 1:04:01 PM
From: Brumar89	Respond to of 1576172

Fortune Magazine joins Mayo Clinic in criticisms of Obamacare: Fortune: 5 freedoms you'd lose in health care reform If you read the fine print in the Congressional plans, you'll find that a lot of cherished aspects of the current system would disappear. ..... If you prize choosing your own cardiologist or urologist under your company's Preferred Provider Organization plan (PPO), if your employer rewards your non-smoking, healthy lifestyle with reduced premiums, if you love the bargain Health Savings Account (HSA) that insures you just for the essentials, or if you simply take comfort in the freedom to spend your own money for a policy that covers the newest drugs and diagnostic tests -- you may be shocked to learn that you could lose all of those good things ..... .... 1. Freedom to choose what's in your plan ..... The federal government will impose a minimum list of benefits that each plan is required to offer. Today, many states require these "standard benefits packages" -- and they're a major cause for the rise in health-care costs. ..... 2. Freedom to be rewarded for healthy living, or pay your real costs ..... The state laws gouging the young are a major reason so many of them have joined the ranks of uninsured. ...... 3. Freedom to choose high-deductible coverage The bills threaten to eliminate the one part of the market truly driven by consumers spending their own money. ..... HSA users are far more cost-conscious than customers who are reimbursed for the majority of their care. The bills seriously endanger the trend toward consumer-driven care in general. By requiring minimum packages, they would prevent patients from choosing stripped-down plans that cover only major medical expenses. ...... 4. Freedom to keep your existing plan ..... 5. Freedom to choose your doctors The Senate bill requires that Americans buying through the exchanges -- and as we've seen, that will soon be most Americans -- must get their care through something called "medical home." Medical home is similar to an HMO. You're assigned a primary care doctor, and the doctor controls your access to specialists. ..... Message 25813677