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To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (161044)	7/27/2009 4:43:26 PM
From: longnshort	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 173976

it's mainly liberal who suffer from Depression. I mean look at the people they have to vote for.

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (161044)	7/27/2009 5:27:41 PM
From: SeachRE	Respond to of 173976

doctorsontm.com Above link only gives one an idea of how widespread psychosomatic illnesses(PSIs) are. However, this diagnosis must be entertained ONLY AFTER a true organic condition is ruled out. Some fields of Medicine encounter more psychosomatic disorders than others. My main point is that survival rates do not tell us all about the quality of healthcare delivered as a very large percentage of patients have no life-threatening disease, and many of these have in fact a psychosomatic disease or a stress-aggravated organic condition(such as angina, heart failure, colic, whatever). BTW, most males'PSI are due to work-related stress while females have family-related problems.

To: J_F_Shepard who wrote (161044)	7/27/2009 5:35:22 PM
From: Skywatcher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 173976

pbs.org STUNNING revelations by one of the TOP execs at CIGNA... who BAILED...he has a CONSCIENCE! imagine that! all their profits are coming from WITHHOLDING HEALTH CARE FROM THOSE PAYING PREMIUMS time for a government non profit to make sure we the people are actually able to AFFORD HEALTH CARE... WENDELL POTTER: That we shouldn't fear government involvement in our health care system. That there is an appropriate role for government, and it's been proven in the countries that were in that movie. You know, we have more people who are uninsured in this country than the entire population of Canada. And that if you include the people who are underinsured, more people than in the United Kingdom. We have huge numbers of people who are also just a lay-off away from joining the ranks of the uninsured, or being purged by their insurance company, and winding up there. And another thing is that the advocates of reform or the opponents of reform are those who are saying that we need to be careful about what we do here, because we don't want the government to take away your choice of a health plan. It's more likely that your employer and your insurer is going to switch you from a plan that you're in now to one that you don't want. You might be in the plan you like now. But chances are, pretty soon, you're going to be enrolled in one of these high deductible plans in which you're going to find that much more of the cost is being shifted to you than you ever imagined. BILL MOYERS: I have a memo, from Frank Luntz. I have a memo written by Frank Luntz. He's the Republican strategist who we discovered, in the spring, has written the script for opponents of health care reform. "First," he says, "you have to pretend to support it. Then use phrases like, "government takeover," "delayed care is denied care," "consequences of rationing," "bureaucrats, not doctors prescribing medicine." That was a memo, by Frank Luntz, to the opponents of health care reform in this debate. Now watch this clip. REP. JOHN BOEHNER: The forthcoming plan from Democratic leaders will make health care more expensive, limit treatments, ration care, and put bureaucrats in charge of medical decisions rather than patients and doctors. SEN. MITCH MCCONNELL: Americans need to realize that when someone says "government option," what could really occur is a government takeover that soon could lead to government bureaucrats denying and delaying care, and telling Americans what kind of care they can have. SEN. JON KYL: Washington run healthcare would diminish access to quality care, leading to denials, shortages and long delays for treatment. REP. JOE WILSON: How will a government run health plan not lead to the same rationing of care that we have seen in other countries? REP. TOM PRICE: We don't want to put the government, we don't want to put bureaucrats between a doctor and a patient. BILL MOYERS: Why do politicians puppet messages like that? WENDELL POTTER: Well, they are ideologically aligned with the industry. They want to believe that the free market system can and should work in this country, like it does in other industries. So they don't understand from an insider's perspective like I have, what that actually means, and the consequences of that to Americans. They parrot those comments, without really realizing what the real situation is. I was watching MSNBC one afternoon. And I saw Congressman Zach Wamp from Tennessee. He's just down the road from where I grew up, in Chattanooga. And he was talking-- he was asked a question about health care reform. I think it was just a day or two after the president's first-- health care reform summit. And he was one of the ones Republicans put on the tube. And he was saying that, you know, the health care problem is not necessarily as bad as we think. That of the uninsured people, half of them are that way because they want to "go naked." REP. ZACH WAMP: Half the people that are uninsured today choose to remain uninsured. Half of them don't have any choice but half of them choose to, what's called, go naked, and just take the chance of getting sick. They end up in the emergency room costing you and me a whole lot more money. WENDELL POTTER: He used the word naked. It's an industry term for those who, presumably, choose not to buy insurance, because they don't want to. They don't want to pay the premiums. So he was saying that half... Well, first of all, it's nothing like that. It was an absolutely ridiculous comment. But it's an example of a member of Congress buying what the insurance industry is peddling.