To: jlallen who wrote (499188 ) 7/29/2009 4:14:21 PM From: combjelly Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 1578011 "Incorrect. They were digitized. They do still exist." Note this part...Posted on: Tuesday, July 28, 2009 So that information was posted that day. All of the available information before then indicated otherwise. So you were talking out of your ass. And this from your own link.One thing that remains unclear is whether Obama has a copy of the original 1961 Certificate of Live Birth, or if he would even be allowed to see it if he asked. Hawai'i's disclosure law (Hawai'i Revised Statutes 338-18) states that "it shall be unlawful for any person to permit inspection of, or to disclose information contained in vital statistics records, or to copy or issue a copy of all or part on any such record ... " The law further states that the Health Department "shall not permit inspection of public health statistics records, or issue a certified copy of any such record or part thereof, unless it is satisfied that the applicant has a direct and tangible interest in the record." Those who have "direct and tangible interest" are generally limited to the person named in the record, the spouse, parent, descendant, or personal representative, or by someone who is involved in marital, parental or death litigation involving the named person's vital record or other legal reason established by a court order, and various official agency or organization representatives, including the state director of health, according to the law. So, I am still grounded in reality. I was incorrect as to the exact status of the document, but it was based on the available evidence that I had. Granted, new evidence has surfaced, but you had no way of knowing about it at the time you were making your claims. So, although you were lying at the time, it looks like you got lucky.