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To: unclewest who wrote (317865)	7/31/2009 9:48:56 PM
From: LindyBill	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 793911

Walking Away From A Billion Dollar Boondoggle STRATEGY PAGE July 30, 2009: U.S. SOCOM (Special Operations Command) has abandoned ASDS (Advanced Seal Delivery Systems, a small sub for getting SEALs to the beach), after it discovered that recent fire damage would cost $237 million, and take three years, to repair. Last November, the sole ASDS caught fire, and burned for six hours. SOCOM was reluctant to repair the vessel, and now has decided to just walk away. Originally, the entire program (including six ASDS) was to have cost $527 million, but it ended up costing nearly twice that to only produce one. While a nice piece of engineering, each ASDS would have cost over $300 million. The U.S. Navy also spent $47 million building a base in Hawaii for the ASDS fleet. There, and in the Persian Gulf, the first ASDS production boat underwent testing for three years, before being declared ready for service in 2004. But problems kept cropping up, until the production of the other five was cancelled in 2006. After a decade of development, the ASDS had too many technical problems. Only the first one remained, and it sort of worked, until it caught fire. Apparently there was not a big demand for something like the ASDS, as there was no immediate request for a replacement design. But now, another attempt is going to be made to develop a similar vessel. The U.S. Navy, and the British Royal Navy, both still need a delivery vehicle for their combat swimmers. Both nations are still using the Mk 8, which is a World War II era design that is basically a reusable torpedo that divers in scuba gear hang on to as they are taken to shore. Thus three years after admitting defeat in developing the ASDS, another attempt is going to be made. The new SWCS (Shallow Water Combat Submersible) will be a smaller (30 feet long, carrying six SEALs) version of the ASDS (which was a 65 foot long, 60 ton mini-submarine.) Like the ASDS, the SWCS will be battery powered and with a crew of two. The larger ASDS could carry up to 14 passengers (fewer if a lot of equipment is being brought along, the usual number of passengers is expected to be eight.) With a max range of 200 kilometers, top speed of 14 kilometers an hour and max diving depth of 200 feet (65 meters), the ASDS operates from one of the seven U.S. nuclear submarine equipped to carry it on its deck, and several British boats that will be similarly equipped. Both minisubs were equipped with passive and active SONAR, radar and an electronic periscope (that uses a video camera, not the traditional optics.) The SWCS will have a range of 160 kilometers and be able to dive to 300 feet (95 meters). Both navies want the SWCS, which will recycle ASDS technology that worked, and replace the stuff that didn't. Thus the current plan is to have the SWCS in service within four years.

To: unclewest who wrote (317865)	8/1/2009 3:57:07 AM
From: KLP	Respond to of 793911

Many of us are realizing that same thing....and yet, I've often wondered how many people who mouth things like 'war on insurance companies', war on high compensation, etc have really gone to other communist or socialist countries (Cuba being a good example, as is Venezuela or North Korea or many garden spots in Africa for starters) who want to live there...They sure could as far as many of us are concerned. We don't have fences to keep the people in our country...they are free to life. ...can't think of anything about our free enterprise system that they like...except for free government housing and free food stamps.