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Politics : A US National Health Care System? -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Road Walker who wrote (7977)	8/1/2009 8:16:32 AM
From: John Carragher	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

trouble is the heart surgeon doesn't become the future heart surgeon,, he becomes a financial analysts because he or she can make 10 million vs one million.

To: Road Walker who wrote (7977)	8/1/2009 9:20:35 AM
From: Lane3	1 Recommendation Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

all I know is it works for every country that does single payer. Exactly. All you know. You take the profit, most of the marketing and most of the overhead costs for denials, the huge executive salaries from the insurance companies out of the system. Is that the key variable? How do you know that? You pick one variable out of a nest of variables and claim that's the one that produces the outcome. I call that confirmation bias with a touch of magical thinking. You can argue around the edges and about quality and socialism and our way of doing things but at some point please acknowledge that simple and obvious fact; single payer is a cheaper system. I acknowledge that socialism can be cheaper because the authority dictates the cost and can choose an arbitrary cheaper rate. Health care costs were extremely low in the Soviet Union. OTHO, a more benign authority might set them somewhat higher a nanny authority with a contingent of golden-goose-egg layers might set them very high. There are, of course, implications to setting an artificially low rate. If cost is the controlling priority, then the implications don't matter.

To: Road Walker who wrote (7977)	8/1/2009 11:58:32 AM
From: i-node	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 42652

Maybe the heart surgeon only makes a $Million a year instead of $10Million. You need to get a grip on reality. Few cardiac surgeons make a million a year from their practices (on average, around the country, they make in the area of $400K). I don't know how ANY of them could make $10M. Maybe you were being facetious? Or are you just delusional? Given the commitment these people make to obtain the necessary education and experience to do this work, they may be the most underpaid individuals on earth (referring to physicians, in general). allied-physicians.com I would also add that if you look at real dollars, many if not most of these guys are making less today than they were 20 years ago.