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To: ScatterShot who wrote (391481)	8/1/2009 11:29:51 PM
From: Elroy Jetson	2 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

The rate at which the British provide coronary-bypass surgery or angioplasty to heart patients is only one-fourth the U.S. rate . . . and yet in spite of providing fewer of these ineffective treatments the outcome for British coronary patients is better. If you're in the business of providing expensive but ineffective treatment, the U.S. is the place to do business. .

To: ScatterShot who wrote (391481)	8/1/2009 11:55:10 PM
From: maceng2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

Those statistics are interesting and worth a closer look. Life expectancy. UK vs USA. UK ranked 26, USA ranked 30. Both countries are 78+ though. en.wikipedia.org Infant mortality rate. UK ranked 22, USA ranked 33. en.wikipedia.org A news article from last year. independent.co.uk USA looks better when looking at the death rate though. USA ranked 94th vs UK 61st. en.wikipedia.org one blog comment In the movie "Sicko," Michael Moore mentions several times that life expectancy is longer in countries like the U.K. and France that have socialized medicine than in the U.S., which doesn't have socialized health care. The implication is that the superiority of socialized medicine results in better health care and longer life expectancies. It is true that life expectancy is higher at birth in the U.K., by 1.6 years for males and .70 years for females. However, life expectancy at older ages is greater in the U.S. than in the U.K. mjperry.blogspot.com

To: ScatterShot who wrote (391481)	8/2/2009 10:21:48 AM
From: Terry Maloney	Respond to of 436258

You're right, I don't ... it's that windmill thing. <g> I guess my rejoinder to your guy would be 'if everything is so peachy keen, why are so many people unhappy with the status quo?' -- like for example, the woman at the congressional hearing ... I'd also be interested to hear his comments on the crowds at that 'health fair' ... <g/ng> It's true that waiting times for non-critical procedures are probably longer, and 'bureaucrats' cap some very expensive and/or experimental medications and treatments (although I imagine most of your private insurance policies do as well), but in 99% of cases doctors make all the decisions unhindered, and they do know how to triage ... I live in a very remote part of Quebec (75 miles from the nearest town of 20,000 people, 300 from the nearest 100,000, etc), and yet doctors routinely send critical patients to specialized hospitals in Quebec City or Montreal the same or next day, either by air ambulance or on a 'regularly scheduled' plane that makes a tour of the province every day for that express purpose. No bureaucrats involved, if your doctor decides you should go, you go.