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To: lorne who wrote (69849)8/2/2009 7:21:13 PM
From: chartseer2 Recommendations  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 224666
 
Oh bummer! Has Dan Rather authenticated the Kenya birth certificate?

Comrade chartseer



To: lorne who wrote (69849)8/2/2009 8:48:55 PM
From: tbancroft2 Recommendations  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 224666
 
"Prove your loyalty to the United States"

July 31, 2009 by drkate4justice

© 2009 drkate/drkate4justice

"Obama wants to be President and the burden is on him to prove his loyalty to the United States as well as freedom from conflicting allegiances and potential for coercion."

The deliberate use of these words in Kerchner v. Obama, et. al. describe succinctly the constitutional crisis that Barack Hussein Obama has brought upon the United States. It is the crucible of anxiety that we fear the Commander in Chief is a foreign national not loyal to the United States.

In fact, Barack Obama is the 'poster child' for why the Founding Fathers insisted that the President be a natural born citizen having only one allegiance–to the United States. And why they provided that Congress take the time to certify the eligibility of the president-elect. Obama failed his first test of loyalty by refusing to disclose his complete citizenship status, birth papers, and college, senatorial, and medical records. To date, Obama has not produced and no one has examined these documents, if they exist.

In July 2008, he failed is second test of loyalty. Obama admitted that his birth was governed by the British Nationality Act of 1948, that his father was a British subject, and that he himself was a British subject by descent from his father. These are disqualifying admissions for POTUS and should have been the end to his candidacy. If Obama had any love of or loyalty to Country, he would have withdrawn from the race then. Instead he took advantage of Americans' honor system of assuming the presidential candidate meets all the requisite qualifications for POTUS, and continued his false run for office and ridiculing any dissent as 'racist'.

He failed his third test of loyalty when he took the oath of office (three times) knowing there was a question about his eligibility:

     Obama -  the famed brilliant Constitutional scholar – had 
to be aware that the most directly on point U.S. Supreme Court
case in our nation's history directly stated that there were
doubts as to his NBC status. Yet, regardless of these doubts
expressed by the highest court in the land, Obama went ahead
and swore – under oath – that he was eligible to be President.

There are other serious reasons to question his loyalty that go beyond his defiant refusal to prove his eligibility for POTUS. For example, his shocking behavior in Kenya as a Senator– openly interfering with the Kenyan elections and the Kenyan government–a U.S. ally. He openly supported his cousin Odinga, whose supporters went on to murder women and children when he lost the election. Odinga had made a secret deal to impose sharia law in Kenya if he had won the election.

BRITAIN G20 PALACE

Currently prancing around on the world stage playing the eloquent apologizing clown, he daily demonstrates his disdain for and failure to articulate or manifest any kind of loyalty to Americans or America. He doesn't even know American history. When off his teleprompter, he speaks like English is his second language.

However, now that he sits in the chair he wanted, there is arguably a greater burden on him to demonstrate his loyalty to the American people by disclosing his identity and documentation. Especially in light of his professed disloyalty on the world stage. And, much to his dismay I am sure, the 'birther' issue has now exploded into the mainstream media.' And yes, we all know it is not just about the birth certificate….and further, we know that to make it about the birth certificate only is to 'dumb down' the very serious concept of 'natural born citizen' enumerated in the Constitution.

This issue is not going away, and in fact the more Obama does as pResident, the more opportunities there are for legal action enjoining his directives and, under Quo Warranto, requiring he prove himself eligible to wield the authority of the office before any law can have any effect.

Kerchner v. Obama et al

One of the thirty-five (35) lawsuits on the eligibility issue is a relatively quiet, but powerful, lawsuit that was filed at 2:50 a.m. on January 20, 2009 against president-elect Obama, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, and Vice President Dick Cheney. The timing is critical to the suit as it was after Congress had 'certified' Obama but before Chief Justice Roberts swore him in.

I choose to write briefly about this case not only to pass on information, but to highlight key arguments that draw upon the best of the research and experience of the last year completed by many people including articles and comments here at TDblog. The case filings, which can all be seen at attorney Mario Apuzzo's website, are a treasure trove of federal case law information and the Apuzzo filings are extremely well written. In addition, rather than dismiss other legal arguments, the Kerchner case builds upon all arguments set forth, and similarly, learns from the procedural errors in previous cases.

The Kerchner case, and its outcome, will be a further test of the judiciary's courage and independence in addressing head-on an issue it has never addressed in its history, and whether it will 'cowboy up' (sorry, western slant here!) and resolve the issue constitutionally. And that outcome will then determine what our path must be as American patriots.

The Kerchner Complaint (Kerchner v. Obama, Congress, Senate, Pelosi & Cheney)

The original 10-count complaint was in the form of an injunction, and later a petition and mandamus, and alleges the following major elements:

     * Obama has not proven he meets the qualifications of 
POTUS citing (a) citizenship at birth and (b) failure to
provide long form birth certificate and other records and (c)
indonesian citizenship;
* Congress violated plaintiff's First Amendment rights and
the 20th Amendment by failing to certify Obama on January 8th
* The Senate violated the equal protection clause of
Article V and the 14th Amendment by not conducting an
investigation of Obama's qualifications and by investigating
John McCain but not Obama.
* House Speaker Nancy Pelosi failed to perform her
constitutionally mandated duty to certify Obama's eligibility
on January 8th under the 20th Amendment, and has violated
Kechner's First Amendment rights.
* Vice President Dick Cheney failed to perform his
constitutionally mandated duty to call for objections to the
electoral college vote under the 20th Amendment.

Because the parties changed status after the first filing, the complaint was amended two more times, with the second amended complaint served on the United States. The entire complaint is absolutely well worth the read.

It is important to note that because of the status change of Obama, instead of his campaign dollars paying for his defense, we taxpayers are now picking up the tab. Obama, Congress, Pelosi, and Cheney all have the U.S. Department of Justice representing them as defendants. We cannot count on the Justice Department to do the ethical thing here, it seems, and pass this off-at least in Obama's case-to private representation.

The 'Typical Government' Response

Interestingly, the government couldn't figure out what to do and asked for several extensions to respond to the complaint. The Judge clearly indicated this was a serious matter and required the government's response. After two extensions, in June the government responded, typically, with a motion to dismiss the case based on:

     * Standing–said the court had no Article III (or 
constitutional) subject matter jurisdiction, and no prudential
standing (judicially imposed self limits on exercise of
federal jurisdiction)
* Immunity–sovereign, absolute, and qualified by virtue of
their positions
* Procedural violation of 'short and plain statement' rule
in the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure (FRCP 8 (a)(2))
* Procedural violation of multiple complaints before the
defendants were served and had time to respond.

These government objections are a variation on previous objections by Obama's lawyers, and are now sprinkled with the 'sovereign immunity' claim which Obama did not have before, and raise procedural violations which, in my view, are 'hail mary passes'.

The standing issue has vexed all the eligibility cases, and has been used by judges to conveniently avoid having to address this issue. The lack of standing has applied in all cases where the litigant has failed to prove an obligation owed (e.g., secretaries of state), or when the litigant has failed to prove 'particularized harm.' Importantly, Obama has never responded to any charges and has relied entirely on the 'lack of standing' issue, and the 'lack of subject matter jurisdiction' (particularlized harm must be alleged and a particular remedy available) to constantly use the motion to dismiss tactic. For the most part Obama has prevailed, but has been unable to dispose of this issue.

The government's response ridicules the people:

     The fact that the Plaintiffs allege that they have the 
right to be governed by a constitutionally qualified President
is not the type of particularized harm that confers standing…

Indeed, the government has not waived its sovereign
immunity for violations of federal law, including the United
States Constitution. F.D.I.C. v.Meyer, 510 U.S. 471, 478
(1994) ("[T]he United States simply has not rendered itself
liable . . . for constitutional tort claims.").

And regarding the Speaker's immunity:

     Likewise, Plaintiffs fail to allege a constitutional 
violation based on an act of Speaker Pelosi. Plaintiffs allege
that Speaker Pelosi signed documents nominating President
Obama for President without verifying his citizenship. See
Docket Entry 3, ¶¶ 89-91.Yet, Plaintiffs do not explain how
that act translates into any particular constitutional
violation.

This is why everyone refers with disdain to 'legal tricks' and 'legalese'. May be 'good lawyering' but it is ignorant and obtuse from a common sense standpoint. And sooner or later, you run out of those options.

Indeed, a further examination of 'standing' reveals that it is no where considered in the Constitution, and seems to be an invention of 'modern law'. On the concept of standing, some have argued that it is "either a judicial mask for the exercise of prudence to avoid decision-making or a sophisticated manipulation for the sub rosa (secret, hidden from the public) decision of cases on their merits." Others

     challenge the historical assumption that the Constitution 
speaks to the question ordinarily thought to be comprehended
within the rubric of standing. Rather, a painstaking search of
the historical material demonstrates that — for the first 150
years of the Republic — the Framers, the first Congresses, and
the Court were oblivious to the modern conception either that
standing is a component of the constitutional phrase "cases or
controversies" ["Article III standing"]or that it is a
prerequisite for seeking governmental compliance with the law
["prudential standing"]. I will show that the modern doctrine
of standing is a distinctly twentieth century product that was
fashioned out of other doctrinal materials largely through the
conscious efforts of Justices Brandeis and Frankfurter. I am
not so heretical as to suggest that there is no such thing as
an article III "case or controversy" requirement that limits
the judicial power to actual disputes. But a fuller account of
our history shows that article III was not limited to the
kinds of private disputes characterized by standing. I argue
that there are serious negative consequences to the idea that
the legal system is or should be circumscribed by such a
concept.

So while all of Obama's people, the government, and now the courts are using standing to deny the American people "a right to be governed by a constitutionally qualified President", one of Obama's czars advocates giving trees standing to sue the government. For what, the paper the constitution was written on?

Obama's stand on standing will fail under the weight of sheer hypocrisy. The government's treatment of the people is inexcusable.

The Kerchner response up next.

“Prove your loyalty to the United States” « TD Blog



To: lorne who wrote (69849)8/3/2009 2:18:59 AM
From: MJ2 Recommendations  Respond to of 224666
 
On this supposed certificate from Kenya notice the following:

Obama was born August 4, 1961. Barrack Hussein Obama, Sr. was said to be married to Stanley Ann in 1961.

That means there was no marriage in 1960.

This means that Stanley Ann was at the most 8 months pregnant if she and Barrack Hussein Obama, Sr. were married on January 1, 1961.

If she was pregnant in 1960, Dec. 1st about, she was not married to Obama, Sr. when she became pregnant.

So the next question:

When did they get married in 1961? Was there a divorce by Obama, Sr. to his Kenyan wife?

Where is the marriage certificate under American Law? Where are the divorce papers under American law.

If that marriage never occurred or occurred illegally due to no divorce, that would make the marriage illegal in the sight of American law?

Did they get married in Hawaii or did they get married in Kenya---------or was there no marriage.

This murky mess was alluded to early in the campaign.

Taitz is certainly determined------her tactic of supoena for Hillary is brilliant.

mj



To: lorne who wrote (69849)8/3/2009 3:17:28 AM
From: MJ4 Recommendations  Respond to of 224666
 
CORRECTION TO MY RESPONSE_

It should be 7 months when she gave birth to Obama from Jan. 1, 1961.


Corrected below:

On this supposed certificate from Kenya notice the following:

Obama was born August 4, 1961. Barrack Hussein Obama, Sr. was said to be married to Stanley Ann in 1961.

That means there was no marriage in 1960.

This means that Stanley Ann was at the most 7 months pregnant if she and Barrack Hussein Obama, Sr. were married on January 1, 1961.

If she became pregnant in 1960, Nov. 1st about, she was not married to Obama, Sr. when she became pregnant----if one uses the figures on the document.

So the next question:

When did they get married in 1961? Was there a divorce by Obama, Sr. to his Kenyan wife?

Where is the marriage certificate under American Law? Where are the divorce papers under American law.

If that marriage never occurred or occurred illegally due to no divorce, that would make the marriage illegal in the sight of American law?

Did they get married in Hawaii or did they get married in Kenya---------or was there no marriage.


This murky mess was alluded to early in the campaign.

Taitz is certainly determined------her tactic of supoena for Hillary is brilliant.