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To: ahhaha who wrote (213871)	8/5/2009 12:42:35 AM
From: Skeeter Bug	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 306849

>>How do you know the interests of others?<< you treat them as you would appreciate being treated. this does require some thought and reflection, but you'd appreciate it if others gave that thought and reflection when dealing with you, right? >>Looks like you missed it. Worshipping God to save yourself is what Jesus taught. Was the condemned man on the cross seeking to save himself exclusively when he said, "Lord, remember me when you enter your kingdom"? I think so in light of the fact he had already rebuked the other condemned man on the cross, "his neighbor", for having rejected Jesus.<< you are reaching conclusions with partial information. you know next to nothing about the man on the cross. he might have lived a life of caring and concern for others and, when faced with the prospect he could do no more, asked about himself. that's completely consistent with not making personal salvation his main desire. but it is more comforting to proof text a verse out of context of other scriptures to justify our own selfishness, isn't it? >>And, I should direct you to read the Parable of the Prodigal Son since clearly, you haven't assimilated its meaning.<< and what meaning is that? care only of salvation for oneself and don't care about other people? that's what you are saying? seriously? >>Specifically, God does not care why you worship, for worship shows faith, and faith is all. It's the worship that gets the results, not minding the spiritual health of your neighbor.<< how do you reconcile this with the following? Matthew 7:21 "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 1 John 3:10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not a child of God; nor is anyone who does not love his brother. 1 John 3:14 We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love our brothers. Anyone who does not love remains in death. Luke 10:25 On one occasion an expert in the law stood up to test Jesus. "Teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?" 26"What is written in the Law?" he replied. "How do you read it?" 27He answered: " 'Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind'[c]; and, 'Love your neighbor as yourself.'[d]" 28"You have answered correctly," Jesus replied. "Do this and you will live."

To: ahhaha who wrote (213871)	8/7/2009 1:15:06 AM
From: Skeeter Bug	Respond to of 306849

>>Looks like you missed it. Worshipping God to save yourself is what Jesus taught.<< James 2:17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead. James 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead. Romans 13:8 [ Love, for the Day is Near ] Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law. Ephesians 2:10 For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do. ------------------------- don't be confused here - christians are not saved by their works. rather, christians are saved so they can learn to be better people and do better things for others. there is no contradiction. there is also no reason to save someone if they refuse to do good works. they are effectively dead and will, one day, be physically dead. that's not to say any person is perfectly good. if one thinks so, they lack an understanding of what good really is. but we should care and make an effort to become better over time. that's the point of our existence - and it just makes logical sense. the idea god is an egomaniac sadist is absurd. "kiss my behind or i'll torture you for eternity" is straight from the imaginations of devious humans and sheep like populace.