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To: ecrire who wrote (100367)	8/4/2009 3:16:04 PM
From: ayn rand	Respond to of 116555

you're right. the er should have the right to refuse treatment for people without insurance asking for first aid or non life threatening illness

To: ecrire who wrote (100367)	8/4/2009 4:37:50 PM
From: atticus4paws	4 Recommendations Respond to of 116555

As for health care: don't yet know what version emerges. For one thing, you can't forever have the 35 million uninsured clogging up emergency rooms for free care and the rest of us footing the bill in the form of ever higher premiums. I was having a health care reform discussion, with someone of an obvious republican bent, about this very issue. They refused to believe that the rest of us who pay our health insurance premiums pay for that "free" ER care. The only argument against reform that this person had was that we would all lose our good health care that we currently have. I know that I shouldn't be amazed, but once again the right-wing hook, line, and sinker has been swallowed. BRB, I'm going down to the ER for some free health care paid for by the tooth fairy.

To: ecrire who wrote (100367)	8/5/2009 2:13:25 AM
From: Skeeter Bug	Respond to of 116555

>>The bailouts, though unpopular, helped delay a catastrophe.<< there, i think i fixed that for you. we shall see who is right. i hope you are right, but i don't think you are.

To: ecrire who wrote (100367)	8/5/2009 2:40:39 AM
From: benwood	6 Recommendations Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 116555

We avoided a catastrophe, or so we're told by those who stole the 8+ trillions. I don't know WHY I take that with a grain of salt. And the catastrophe we purportedly averted with a gun to our heads... we won't know for sure for another few years, will we? Re: Health care. I've written about this before. There certainly is a plan that the wealthiest nation on Earth can easily afford. People must have skin the game; prices for services must be easy to determine; and society at large will benefit from productivity improvements and, I believe, lower taxes overall (higher Federal but lower State and county). Regardless, I do not believe that the parasites of the medical services industry who lobby so hard will lose their fight. They make money by keeping people out. They convince people that any plan is a conspiracy to kill the infirm, etc, and weak minds fall prey to their ruses. We all lose. But whatever the outcome, infinite life is not a right. Heart transplants are not a right. For every 250k operation performed on a person at taxpayer expense, there will be 10 thousand children denied a vaccine. Our wealth is finite; our lifespan is finite. I believe in a safety net but one which requires sacrifice on the part of the individual, i.e. major medical deductions on the order of $1k per year. Something big comes up, and one has a chance, but otherwise, judicious use of medical services must be the standard order of business. As for what will emerge -- we are fascist now, run by and for corporations. That isn't going to go away. Whatever passes will benefit corporations and cost citizens, the same as the bailouts of wall street. And unfortunately, with enough bad decisions on the part of our 'leadership," it won't be a question of how we can't have 35 million uninsured; it will be reality of 200 million sparsely or not at all insured Americans. That's the path we are on with our corporate welfare, socialization of risk, permanent warfare state, and currency debasement. Enjoy the transitory illusion while it lasts. Eventually, the something for nothing fraud will be exposed for all but the most delusional to comprehend.