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To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (501157)	8/4/2009 9:34:29 PM
From: combjelly	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 1576889

"I don't see how "those who feel that some, if not all, of those things are socialism" invalidate anything I say." Hmm, feigning stupidity because your argument has gone down in flames... It is this way. There is no common definition for "basic government". In fact, you can find someone who will point at most anything and claim it is socialism because they don't approve. Which is why Roadwalker keeps telling you this. You want to be able define what is "basic government" and what is "socialism". Why should you have that power? "Oh wait. That's just your way of running from the argument." No, this is your way of claiming victory and going home. You distort the other persons statements and then ridicule them. I will grant you it isn't quite a straw man argument, which is a refreshing change, but...

To: Tenchusatsu who wrote (501157)	8/5/2009 1:02:54 PM
From: tejek	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 1576889

QUOTE OF THE DAY.... Roll Call ran an item today about the various efforts to get far-right activists to disrupt town-hall meetings. It included this gem. Grover Norquist, president of the conservative Americans for Tax Reform, said the protests are the result of real public anger at Democratic proposals. He said he encourages his members to attend town-hall meetings -- and arms them with suggested questions. "People are pissed," Norquist said. "They've been lied to." Well, yes, I suppose so. They "are pissed" precisely because they have been "lied to." The key to remember, though, is who's been doing the lying. Norquist and his pals have convinced the Republican base that health care reform means a "government takeover" of the system. They've said it will mean "socialized" medicine. They've said it "may start us down a treacherous path toward government-encouraged euthanasia." They've said reform would eliminate private insurance options. They've said reform "will literally cost nearly a trillion dollars in higher taxes." They've said reform would cover undocumented immigrants. All of these claims are false, but the right's Powers That Be have to convince the activists otherwise. They have, in other words, perpetrated a con, preying on far-right Republicans who don't know better. "People are pissed. They've been lied to." That's true. They're just directing their anger at the wrong people -- those who've been telling the truth. washingtonmonthly.com