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To: Sully- who wrote (31270)8/7/2009 4:29:46 PM
From: Sully-1 Recommendation  Respond to of 35834
 
Town hall violence -- by Obama supporters

By: David Freddoso
Commentary Staff Writer
beltway-confidential
08/07/09 7:50 AM EDT

President Obama recently e-mailed followers to attend local town halls, and his deputy chief of staff promised to "punch back twice as hard" in the health care debate. Neither of them probably expected their backers to "get in the faces" of their opponents quite this much. Or to punch anyone -- not literally, anyway.

In Saint Louis, the Post-Dispatch reports that Kenneth Gladney, a conservative activist, was distributing Gadsden Flags at a town hall meeting for Rep. Russell Carnahan, D-Mo., when he was allegedly beaten by a group of Obama supporters. One of them reportedly flung racial epithets at him (he is black). Gladney ended up in the Emergency Room, and six people ended up in jail, including a reporter for the Post-Dispatch whom police accused of interfering. Carnahan was not present at the town hall when the incident happened.

The details of this incident are still being sorted out this morning.

washingtonexaminer.com



To: Sully- who wrote (31270)8/7/2009 5:12:23 PM
From: Sully-1 Recommendation  Respond to of 35834
 
Community organizing for me but not for thee...

Betsy's Page

Mickey Kaus asks the question I was wondering about.


<<< If an "astroturfing" campaign gets real people to show up at events stating their real views, isn't it ... community organizing? ... >>>


Jonah Goldberg scoffs at Nancy Pelosi's accusation that those showing up at townhalls are being sent there as part of an astroturf campaign by the health insurance industry and they're showing up with swastikas.


<<< Now this is a pas de trois of dishonesty, slander, and idiocy. Not only is Pelosi lying when she says protesters are bringing swastikas to these town halls, not only is she suggesting that American citizens are Nazis for having the effrontery to get in the way of Obamacare, but she’s also saying that the alleged swastikas are obvious proof that these protests are manufactured by slick P.R. gurus.

How does that work? What public-relations genius says: “Okay, we need these protests to seem like an authentic backlash of real Americans. Make sure everyone has enough Nazi paraphernalia!” >>>


But that is the type of idiotic thinking underlying the Democrats' faux outrage over people expressing their anger at Obamacare.


<<< It’s difficult for mere mortals like us to fully grasp the enormousness of the Democrats’ hypocrisy. Put aside all that talk of dissent being the highest form of patriotism. Overlook that Democrats would have upended jerry cans of gasoline and immolated themselves in protest if the Bush administration had asked people to inform on their neighbors. You can even forget that the DNC’s claims are untrue.

But how can we ignore the fact that the world’s most famous community organizer is whining about community organizing?

But wait: It gets better. As of this writing, the entire BarackObama.com site was dedicated to “Organizing for America,” with a special page dedicated to “Organizing for Health Care,” where supporters are asked to flood town halls and “make certain your members of Congress know that you’re counting on them to act.”

They only thing they left out is the instruction to leave the Brooks Brothers jackets and swastikas at home. >>>


UPDATE: Peggy Noonan pours her thoughts over the rising tension between those going to the townhalls and the shellshocked Democrats who are unready to answer their constituents' angry protests.

<<< What has been most unsettling is not the congressmen’s surprise but a hard new tone that emerged this week. The leftosphere and the liberal commentariat charged that the town hall meetings weren’t authentic, the crowds were ginned up by insurance companies, lobbyists and the Republican National Committee. But you can’t get people to leave their homes and go to a meeting with a congressman (of all people) unless they are engaged to the point of passion. And what tends to agitate people most is the idea of loss—loss of money hard earned, loss of autonomy, loss of the few things that work in a great sweeping away of those that don’t.

People are not automatons. They show up only if they care.

What the town-hall meetings represent is a feeling of rebellion, an uprising against change they do not believe in. And the Democratic response has been stunningly crude and aggressive. It has been to attack. Nancy Pelosi, the speaker of the United States House of Representatives, accused the people at the meetings of “carrying swastikas and symbols like that.” (Apparently one protester held a hand-lettered sign with a “no” slash over a swastika.) But they are not Nazis, they’re Americans. Some of them looked like they’d actually spent some time fighting Nazis.

Then came the Democratic Party charge that the people at the meetings were suspiciously well-dressed, in jackets and ties from Brooks Brothers. They must be Republican rent-a-mobs. Sen. Barbara Boxer said on MSNBC’s “Hardball” that people are “storming these town hall meetings,” that they were “well dressed”, that “this is all organized,” “all planned,” to “hurt our president.” Here she was projecting. For normal people, it’s not all about Barack Obama. >>>

She recommends that the Democrats back off and wait until later to push for their vision of health care. Well, that won't happen, because for them, it's all about Obama. And he wants it. And they realize that the problems passing their sort of bill will only rise once it gets caught up in reelection campaigns next year. And there is always the chance that the Democrats could lose their filibuster-proof control of the Senate. That's why they have the need for speed. But after they pushed through the unimpressive stimulus, the rest of the budget, and cap and trade in the House, people just aren't going to roll over for them to mess around with health care.

And Rich Lowry weighs in (and he even borrows my line).


<<< Like Richard Nixon, Barack Obama wants to govern on the strength of a silent majority, although with a twist. Obama wants the majority that opposes or questions his policies to stay silent.

Obama’s White House and its allies have unleashed a barrage of criticism and condescension at people daring to show up at town-hall meetings and ask their elected representatives pointed questions. “Fired up and ready to go!” apparently works only one way. If engaged citizens shower Obama with adoration at stage-managed rallies, they are the very stuff of American democracy. If they boo their congressman, they are a scandalous eruption of fake or hateful sentiment.

The Democratic National Committee has called the hostile questioners and protesters at town halls a “mob.” White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said that they represent “manufactured anger” ginned up by nefarious corporate interests, and referred to them as “the Brooks Brothers brigade.” California Sen. Barbara Boxer, too, took offense at the untoward lack of shabby dress, noting with disapproval that the protesters are “well-dressed.” It’s the attack of the haut polloi.

All of these Obama mouthpieces must forget that the president once was a community organizer. As a young man in Chicago, he got people to meetings and primed them with questions to ask city officials. By the Gibbs standard, when Obama prodded his community activists to get the Chicago Housing Authority to remove asbestos from a public-housing complex in the 1980s, it was contemptible “manufactured” outrage.

Conservative groups are publicizing the times and locations of town-hall meetings on the Internet. They are calling and e-mailing people on their membership lists and urging them to make their voices heard. No one prior to the troubled career of Obamacare thought town-hall meetings should be closely held secrets, or considered basic block-and-tackle political organizing as out of bounds.

Obama once extolled such organizing as one of the marvels of American democracy. The same DNC operative who attacked the “angry mobs of a small number of rabid right-wing extremists” ran a union-funded group in 2005 opposing Pres. George W. Bush’s Social Security reform. It organized protests and town-hall meetings, and ran TV ads. But never mind — it’s activism for me, not for thee. >>>


Attacking angry constituents coming out to town halls is a miserable strategy. Hiding from your constituents will not play well in a reelection bid. Better to engage and explain why Obamacare is better than the status quo and why the fears of the protesters are exaggerated. But they can't seem to do that, can they? And the majority is not remaining silent.

betsyspage.blogspot.com



To: Sully- who wrote (31270)8/7/2009 5:20:09 PM
From: Sully-1 Recommendation  Respond to of 35834
 
So What Kinds of Objections to ObamaCare Are Okay?

The Campaign Spot
Jim Geraghty Reporting

For all of those shocked, appalled, horrified and fainting at the presence of the "political terrorists*" showing up at town halls with members of Congress, and who are reassured at the thought of the AFL-CIO** coming in to calm tense constituent meetings, a query: Exactly what forms of objection and protest do you find acceptable for citizens who disapprove of the health-care proposal before Congress?

Hey, I hate the heckler's veto, and want the folks yelling at Blue Dog Mike Ross to give him time to point out where he disagrees with Obama. Yes, it's stupid to use Nazi imagery in protest signs, I'm glad that after eight years of "Bushitler" you guys have finally figured that out.

But what is okay in your guys' book? Besides curling up and dying***?

Yeah, I'd prefer if all of these meetings looked like Norman Rockwell's poster, but anybody who's attended any political event knows they often bring out the people who are a little odd — the ones who seem just a little too enthusiastic, who don't seem to have much else in their lives to get excited about. Maybe their eyes get a little too wide when they talk, or they spit a bit when excitedly make a point. Maybe our rallies have a bit more of the guy who mumbles to himself and laughs too loud; your rallies seem to disproportionately represent the Crazy Cat Ladies of our great nation. These people are activists, and they actually make our democratic system work, because they knock on the doors, they stuff the envelopes, they actually care about this political stuff even when the Black-Eyed Peas aren't doing a free concert.

You want to establish some ground rules, that's fine, but you'll get a lot more agreement when you start enforcing them on your own side.

* Hey, Stephen Pearlstein, did it ever cross your mind to use that phrase in connection to William Ayers? No? 'Cause applying it to grandpa isn't so cool.

** Bringing in the AFL-CIO to pacify a tense situation is like bringing in the Hell's Angels to handle concert security.

*** Or as it will be called under future versions of the bill, "end-of-life counseling conclusions."

campaignspot.nationalreview.com



To: Sully- who wrote (31270)8/7/2009 5:32:22 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Obama: “I don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking”

Obama: Shut up

Don Surber blog

President Obama: “I don’t want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking.”

OK.

If he shuts up about GM.

TARP.

The economic stimulus.

Cash for clunkers.

Health care.

The tone-deaf president’s video is here.


hotair.com



To: Sully- who wrote (31270)8/7/2009 6:22:58 PM
From: Sully-2 Recommendations  Respond to of 35834
 
For 8 + years liberals slandered & smeared President Bush with the most horrific calumny [hell, they're still doing it today]. They did it 24/7 with ZERO backlash & Zero recrimination for their littany of horrific lies & treachery. They even received fawning coverage of it all by the MSM. And let's not forget the MSM &/or the DNC was often the original source of the calumny & treachery.

Now we have genuinely concerned conservatives, independents & democrats invoking their 1st Ammendment right to express their serious concerns over record busting budget deficits for massive government run boondoggles that will cause future deficits that will certainly bankrupt this country without solving the "crisis" they set out to "fix" [Hint: it's all about establishing a socialist agenda].

And what are those Bush bashers [including Obama] doing? They're smearing anyone with opposing views with lame calumny, demanding they shut up & get out of the way. I suggest those liberals & Obama look up the term psychological projection.



To: Sully- who wrote (31270)8/7/2009 6:43:08 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
THE LEFT'S PROJECTION AND DENIAL GO EVER ON AND ON

By Dr. Sanity

drsanity.blogspot.com



To: Sully- who wrote (31270)8/7/2009 7:03:06 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
FreedomWorks Issues Abject Apology to Left

By bstein80
FreedomWorks

Washington, DC – Today FreedomWorks released an apology to leftist political organizations including MoveOn.org, the Democratic National Committee, the AFL-CIO and ACORN for our apparent ignorance of the fine art of political discourse.

FreedomWorks’ August Recess Call to Action encouraged grassroots citizens to attend Congressional town hall meetings and listening sessions. We asked everyone to voice their opinions and communicate their opposition to the President’s proposed hostile takeover of the American health care system. Apparently, the very act of showing up and having an opinion is, in effect, to act like a “thug.” Opposing President Obama’s policy agenda on health care is, in and of itself, unacceptable, and has no place in our democracy. Bottom line: it’s “disgusting,” according to our friends on the left.

We didn’t know this. Evidently, we also didn’t know best practices in a respectful, dignified policy debate, but our leftist friends were kind enough to “take FreedomWorks to school”, so to speak.

Specifically, “school” included phone call blitzes from MoveOn.org and the AFL-CIO that jammed FreedomWorks phone lines and filled up staff voice mail boxes. Callers’ consistently used profanity, vulgarity, ever-popular references to “Nazis” and “brown-shirters,” racial slurs targeting an African-American staffer, and even veiled threats of violence and bodily harm.

Now we know how an intelligent political debate unfolds. Thank You!

FreedomWorks would like to share some of the more interesting examples of this brand of debate, graciously communicated to staff via voice mail by some of the more learned members of the thoughtful left.

Please click on the links below (WARNING: If you, like the uninformed members of FreedomWorks, do not have an appropriately sophisticated and “progressive” view of political discourse, you may find the content of these recordings extremely offensive. They use profanity, crude sexual innuendo, racist remarks, and very, very bad English):

Call 1

Call 2

Call 3

Call 4

Call 5

Call 6

Call 7

Call 8

Call 9

Call 10

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freedomworks.org



To: Sully- who wrote (31270)8/7/2009 7:09:43 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
    The president is familiar with the Alinsky way, the Chicago
way, of organizing a group to act. Obama spent years
prodding underprivileged Chicagoans to channel their
political anger by orchestrating activist mob scenes
designed to coerce businesses and public officials. A 2007
profile in the left-leaning New Republic was titled "The
Agitator." He's still at it.

Getting In Their Faces For A Change

By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY
Thursday, August 06, 2009 4:20 PM PT

Public Discourse: The candidate who told his supporters "to argue with them and get in their face" now finds the shoe on the other foot. So they're taking names and encouraging you to turn in your neighbors.

So this is hope and change — telling American citizens who in a democracy disagree with you that they are mind-numbed robots participating in mob action and expressing "manufactured" outrage.

Considering that upward of 80% of those hooligans like their doctors, like their insurance and like their care, anger over your government-run health care was not that hard to assemble.

It was not that long ago that Barack Obama told a crowd of 1,500 supporters in Elko, Nev., to challenge those who disagree with them and him: "I want you to go out and talk to your friends and talk to your neighbors. I want you to talk to them whether they are independents or Republicans. I want you to argue with them."

President Obama spoke then as the community organizer he was — a true disciple of Saul Alinsky who worked with and for Acorn in the days when they were storming banks and government meetings to force them to ditch creditworthiness as a criteria and forcing them to issue loans to those who couldn't afford them.

The president is familiar with the Alinsky way, the Chicago way, of organizing a group to act. Obama spent years prodding underprivileged Chicagoans to channel their political anger by orchestrating activist mob scenes designed to coerce businesses and public officials. A 2007 profile in the left-leaning New Republic was titled "The Agitator." He's still at it.

The community organizer is trying to organize America in his image, but the American people are more than scared bankers and groveling politicians. They are the descendants of the original tea partiers who threw the teas in Boston Harbor. That Tea Party protested taxation without representation. Their descendants are protesting the taxation they are getting with it.

Obama cut his political teeth as a community organizer with Acorn, the group that buses people all wearing the same red shirts and all carrying the same union-printed signs to the homes of AIG executives and their families and anyone else they want to intimidate. Brown shirts would be more appropriate.

The modern-day tea partiers and those opposing government-run health care carry kids on their shoulders and wave signs they've hand-painted on their living room floors to protest the mortgaging of their future and the bankrupting of their country. According to the Democrats, these people are dangerous and need to be watched.

Democrats once warned about privacy and the shredding of the Constitution when President George W. Bush sought to monitor the communications between foreign terrorists and their American contacts.

They have no objection to the administration openly asking citizens to report rumors, casual conversations and the contents of e-mails to the government. The White House Web site brazenly asks: "If you get an e-mail or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy — send it to flag@whitehouse.gov."

They say they merely want to correct the record, but we see an enemies list being compiled by a government seeking to nationalize and control everything from car dealers to emergency rooms. What are the name-gatherers going to do? Dispatch the red shirts of Acorn?

"I can only imagine the level of justifiable outrage had your predecessor asked Americans to forward e-mails critical of his policies to the White House," Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, said in a letter to President Obama. "As Congress debates health care reform and other critical policy matters, citizen engagement must not be chilled by the government monitoring the exercise of their speech rights." So where is the ACLU, anyway?

The American people have always valued their freedom and their liberty. They see it disappearing under a battalion of unelected and unaccountable czars. They're as mad as hell and aren't about to take it anymore. Power to the people.

ibdeditorials.com



To: Sully- who wrote (31270)8/7/2009 7:32:02 PM
From: Sully-1 Recommendation  Respond to of 35834
 
      Alert the Internet Snitch Brigade: The fishiest odor is 
emanating from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Who's Behind the Internet Snitch Brigade?

Michelle Malkin

Czardom has its privileges. This week, President Obama's health care overlord, Nancy DeParle, launched a taxpayer-funded initiative to recruit an Internet Snitch Brigade that will combat "disinformation about health insurance reform." As the White House explained in a special online bulletin:

"These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain e-mails or through casual conversation. Since we can't keep track of all of them here at the White House, we're asking for your help. If you get an e-mail or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov."

What will health care czar DeParle do with this information? Where will it be stored? Who has oversight of the czar's powers, budget and personnel? Concerned citizens, alas, will have a hard time tracking down the "Office of Health Care Reform" created by executive order in April. There is no central website for the office, no direct channel for transparency and no congressional accountability.

At least one member of Congress has started asking questions. Texas GOP Sen. John Cornyn sent a letter to Obama demanding that he disband the Internet Snitch Brigade immediately: "By requesting citizens send 'fishy' e-mails to the White House, it is inevitable that the names, e-mail addresses, IP addresses and private speech of U.S. citizens will be reported to the White House," Cornyn wrote. "You should not be surprised that these actions taken by your White House staff raise the specter of a data collection program."

Taxpayers have the right to know what government agencies and third parties the health care czar may share that data with — and why. Take note: The White House Office of Health Care Reform is working in close quarters with an entirely separate Office of Health Reform created under the Department of Health and Human Services. That office is staffed with several Obama campaign operatives and former employees of the Center for American Progress, including special assistant Michael Halle and HHS Office of Health Reform Director Jeanne Lambrew, a former senior fellow at the Center for American Progress who worked on health policy in the Clinton administration.

CAP is a lead organization in the Health Care for America Now coalition, the "grassroots" lobbying group for Obama's health care takeover legislation run out of 1825 K Street in Washington, D.C., with a $40 million budget.
CAP is also the parent group of Think Progress, the far-left website leading the smear campaign against fiscally conservative activists protesting at congressional town halls.

Lawmakers must also dig far beyond the health care czar's flagging operation. Last month, a Washington, D.C., citizen watchdog group filed suit to force the White House to disclose which health care lobbyists and executives it had met with this year to discuss the government health care takeover legislation. White House counsel Greg Craig refused to disclose which administration officials attended the meetings. But at least two of the industry visitors have ties to DeParle.

William C. Weldon is chairman of Johnson & Johnson, which paid DeParle $7,500 for a recent speech. Wayne Smith is chief executive of Community Health Systems, which merged with Triad Hospitals — where DeParle served on the board of directors. DeParle's options were converted to cash payments worth $1.05 million.

Despite Obama's lip service to transparency,
the public is in the dark about which assets DeParle has divested; how many times, if any, DeParle has recused herself from policy matters and meetings; and the exact nature of her conversations with health care executives. While White House press secretary Robert Gibbs lambastes the corporate health care ties of Republican opponents, he has shrugged off the corporate ties of the woman leading the Obamacare charge.

Alert the Internet Snitch Brigade: The fishiest odor is emanating from 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Michelle Malkin is the author of the forthcoming "Culture of Corruption: Obama and his Team of Tax Cheats, Crooks & Cronies" (Regnery 2009). Her e-mail address is malkinblog@gmail.com.

COPYRIGHT 2009 CREATORS.COM

creators.com



To: Sully- who wrote (31270)8/7/2009 8:24:43 PM
From: Sully-1 Recommendation  Respond to of 35834
 
Must See Video of the St. Louis Town-Hall Fracas

Greg Pollowitz
NRO Media Blog

Via Hot Air, can you imagine if the race roles were reversed and it were a large white conservative beating up a black Obama supporter? With the political ideologies reversed, will we be hearing from Prof. Gates or Rev. Al?

YouTube video here

Bonus observation: I love how the SEIU thug who got arrested is smoking a cigarette, just like the president, while lecturing conservatives about health issues.

media.nationalreview.com



To: Sully- who wrote (31270)8/7/2009 8:54:47 PM
From: Sully-1 Recommendation  Respond to of 35834
 
41% View Town Hall Protesters Favorably, 35% Don’t

Rasmussen Report

Link



To: Sully- who wrote (31270)8/7/2009 9:21:58 PM
From: Sully-1 Recommendation  Respond to of 35834
 
Obamacare Supporter Slaps Suspiciously Well-Dressed Man

By Mark Hemingway
The Corner

Looks like things got ugly at the health-care town-hall in Tampa tonight:

     

UPDATE: Jon Henke has a good round-up of the drama surrounding the Tampa town hall. Henke also notes that it looks like the slapper above might be a local Democratic official.

corner.nationalreview.com



To: Sully- who wrote (31270)8/7/2009 9:28:44 PM
From: Sully-1 Recommendation  Respond to of 35834
 
Pelosi & the Swastikas

By Jonah Goldberg
The Corner

A lot of folks are emailing me to say that Pelosi told the truth when she said people are carrying swastikas to these townhalls. The proof? This single photo:

      

Alan Colmes, for instance, says this is proof that Pelosi told the truth. But, wait a second. This is a single picture of a swastika. It also happens to have that red line through it. By this standard, similar anti-smoking signs are pro-smoking and anti-KKK protestors with the KKK crossed out with a line are also pro-KKK.

Pelosi's comment very clearly gives the impression that these protestors are carrying swastikas in a very different way.

More seriously, even if you give Pelosi the benefit of the doubt and she had this picture in mind and simply misspoke (I don't give her that benefit of the doubt, by the way), this is proof that these protest are "manufactured"? Proof that protestors are carrying swastikas to these town halls (plural)? Please.

And it's worth noting, left-wing groups show up with professional, pre-printed, signs all the time. And I don't remember the mainstream press entertaining the idea that such protests are "manufactured."


corner.nationalreview.com



To: Sully- who wrote (31270)8/7/2009 9:32:27 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
On the Mobs

By: Rich Lowry
The Corner

[from a reader]

<<< “…One of my favorite lines from Andrea Seabrook was that conservatives were "crashing" congressmen's town hall meetings. How does a citizen `crash’ a public forum? By disagreeing (from the right) with the congressman, of course!” >>>

corner.nationalreview.com



To: Sully- who wrote (31270)8/7/2009 9:47:42 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Just Shut Up & Get Out of the Way

   

By Darleen Click @ Protein Wisdom

proteinwisdom.com



To: Sully- who wrote (31270)8/7/2009 10:14:18 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
THIS Is What “Astroturf” Looks Like

By Bruce McQuain on union
QzndO

          



We now have real paid organizers promising to produce bodies to confront the citizenry showing up at townhall meetings to loudly voice their disapproval.


<<< The nation’s largest federation of labor organizations has promised to directly engage with boisterous conservative protesters at Democratic town halls during the August recess.

In a memo sent out on Thursday, AFL-CIO President John Sweeney outlined the blueprint for how the union conglomerate would step up recess activities on health care reform and other topics pertinent to the labor community. The document makes clear that Obama allies view the town hall forums as ground zero of the health care debate. It also uses the specter of the infamous 2000 recount “Brooks Brothers” protest to rally its members to the administration’s side. >>>


What could go wrong with this scenario? First, who says they’re all “boisterous conservative protesters?” This is about union members going to an event expressly to confront those who are voicing a dissenting opinion and quelling that. Talk about setting themselves up for a huge “fail”. Talk about setting themselves up for a huge backlash.

     


AFL_CIO


<<< “The principal battleground in the campaign will be town hall meetings and other gatherings with members of Congress in their home districts,” reads the memo. “We want your help to organize major union participation to counter the right-wing “Tea-Party Patriots” who will try to disrupt those meetings, as they’ve been trying to do to meetings for the last month. … >>>


Yeah, nothing could go wrong here.

But, of course, since this is true astroturfing, there’s a political payback being demanded:


<<< But while the union conglomerate seems poised to flex its political muscle on Obama’s behalf
, it may find some friction on the policy front. Detailed in Sweeney’s memo are certain legislative priorities that are clearly at odds with what seems likely to be produced in the Senate Finance Committee’s compromise bill.

Sweeney describes it as a “requirement that ALL employers ‘pay or play,’”
that the final bill have “a robust public health insurance plan to compete with private insurers and drive down health costs,” and that the legislation contain “relief for company/union funds providing pre-Medicare retiree coverage, and no taxation of health benefits!” >>>


Yes friends, these protesters will truly be paid protesters. If they help intimidate the citizenry at the townhall meetings, then they expect to see their legislative desires fulfilled.

As the AFL-CIO spools itself up to confront the “mobs”, its secretary issues the battle cry of the astroturfer:


<<< Every American has the inalienable right to participate in our democratic process. Our politics is passionate, heartfelt and often loud — as was the founding of our nation. But that is not what the corporate-funded mobs are engaging in when they show up to disrupt town halls held by members of Congress.

Major health care reform is closer than ever to passage and it is no secret that special interests want to weaken or block it. These mobs are not there to participate. As their own strategy memo states, they have been sent by their corporate and lobbyist bankrollers to disrupt, heckle and block meaningful debate. This is a desperation move, meant to slow the momentum for change.

Mob rule
is not democracy. People have a democratic right to express themselves and our elected leaders have a right to hear from their constituents — not organized thugs whose sole purpose is to shut down the conversation and attempt to scare our leaders into inaction

We call on the insurance companies, the lobbyists and the Republican leaders who are cheering them on to halt these ‘Brooks Brothers Riot’ tactics. Health care is a crucial issue and everyone – on all sides of the issue – deserves to be heard. >>>


Does anyone out there have to wonder what tactics they’ll use to ensure others are “heard”? Republican can only pray they do.

~McQ

qando.net



To: Sully- who wrote (31270)8/7/2009 10:57:02 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Another Dem Congressman Telling Fellow Dem Civilian To Shove It For Opposing Obamacare

Posted by: Greg Hengler at 9:03 PM

video here

townhall.com



To: Sully- who wrote (31270)8/11/2009 8:59:47 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
The Fishiness Rots from the Head

    


Political Cartoons of Michael Ramirez
Editorial Cartoonist for Investor's Business Daily

ibdeditorials.com



To: Sully- who wrote (31270)8/11/2009 10:33:16 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
    The Obama administration's claim that Americans who oppose 
socialized medicine must be in the pay of "moneyed
interests" is a sick joke to anyone who understands today's
actual political dynamics.

Speaking of Astroturf

By John
Power Line

The New York Times reports on the pharmaceutical industry's lavish support for Obamacare:

<<< The drug industry has authorized its lobbyists to spend as much as $150 million on television commercials supporting President Obama's health care overhaul, beginning over the August Congressional recess, people briefed on the plans said Saturday. >>>

By way of comparison, John McCain's entire Presidential campaign spent a total of $126 million on television advertising.

<<< Few expect the opponents of the health care overhaul to muster as much advertising muscle as its backers, including sympathetic business groups, labor unions and ideological allies. The drug makers stand to gain millions of new customers from the expansion of health care coverage. >>>


As always, the big money in this debate is on the left.

<<< All of the commercials closely echo common Democratic themes about medical care for all, consumer protection and "health insurance reform." Some supporters of the overhaul have hired public affairs and advertising firms with close ties to the White House and Senate Democrats, including GMMB, which worked on the Obama campaign, and AKPD, which previously included David Axelrod, who is now the president's top political adviser. >>>

There is a reason why lobbyists are thriving as never before during the Obama administration:
everyone wants to get their hands on your tax dollars (or your children's, since pretty much all the money in question will be borrowed). The Obama administration's claim that Americans who oppose socialized medicine must be in the pay of "moneyed interests" is a sick joke to anyone who understands today's actual political dynamics.


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To: Sully- who wrote (31270)8/11/2009 11:33:12 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
I Thought 'Dissent Is Patriotic'

Dennis Prager

Living in liberal Los Angeles, I am surrounded by people — and bumper stickers — I do not agree with.

One of the more popular liberal bumper stickers of the last decade tells us "Dissent is Patriotic." Now, as it happens, it is impossible to truly disagree with that phrase, not because it is self-evidently true, but because it is self-evidently meaningless. As are most left-wing bumper stickers.

For example, another popular liberal bumper sticker proclaims, "War Is not the Answer." It, too, is completely meaningless. If the question is, "What is the square root of 8?" war is not the answer. But if the question is "How do you stop genocidal regimes?" war probably is the answer.

As concerns "Dissent is Patriotic," the fact is that dissent is neither patriotic nor unpatriotic. Sometimes it is one, sometimes the other, sometimes it has nothing to do with patriotism. The right to dissent is a basic American value. But that is not what the bumper sticker says.

Those who dissented when Alabama schools were racially integrated were not acting patriotically. Those who dissented against British rule in North America are considered our greatest patriots. Those who dissent against the doctrine that global warming caused by human beings is leading to worldwide catastrophe are courageous and probably right, but their dissent is neither patriotic nor unpatriotic.

The worst part of the liberal mantra, "Dissent is Patriotic," however, is not that is meaningless. It is that it is apparently meant solely to defend liberal and left dissent. Dissent against the right is inherently patriotic.

Dissent against the left is another matter. To Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and to the New York Times Paul Krugman and every other left-wing commentator I have read on the issue, those who dissent against the Obama/Democratic Party health care plan are not only not patriotic; they are Nazis, mobs, white racists (according to Krugman's non-sequitur thesis) and are always organized. They are activists sent by health insurance companies, the Republican Party, or by some other nefarious right-wing organization.

To the left, it is almost inconceivable that normal "hardworking" Americans, even Democrats, might find the idea of an immense increase in government intrusion into our lives frightening.

I wonder how Paul Krugman and Nancy Pelosi would explain my physician, Dr. Michael Richman. He is a thoracic-cardio surgeon in Santa Monica, Calif. who is liberal, who voted for Barack Obama, and who has disdain for most health insurance companies. Yet, he came on my radio show last week to announce that he deeply regrets having voted for Obama in light of the damage the president's plan would do to American medicine.

Now, if Dr. Richman attends a Democratic congressman's town hall meeting to protest the congressman's support for the government taking over about 16 percent of the gross domestic product, will he, too, be dismissed as a neo-Nazi or health insurance company stooge?

The answer is, probably yes. In fact, that is exactly what happened — and captured on local Atlanta TV — in Georgia's 13th Congressional District this past weekend.
A local physician, Dr. Brian Hill, a urologist, went to a town hall meeting organized by Democratic Congressman David Scott. When Dr. Hill asked in a calm voice why the Congressman would support a government health plan in light of the failing government health plan in Massachusetts, Rep. Scott began yelling at him about people from outside the district coming to "hijack this event" and that those at his town hall meeting raising the health care issue should have had "the decency" to call the congressman's office to set up a meeting to discuss the issue and not take over the town hall meeting.

As reported by WXIA-TV News, the local NBC affiliate, however, Dr. Hill does live and vote in the congressman's district, had called the congressman's office numerous times and got no response, and is not a Republican.

But such people as Dr. Richman in California and Dr. Hill in Georgia don't exist in the Democratic Party's or in Paul Krugman's mind. Like most of the left since Marx, the American left today has created an image of the world to which reality is subservient. Left-wing theories define reality, not vice versa. And in that closed world, left-wing dissent is patriotic, while dissent against the left is fascistic at worst, or paid for by the greedy at best.

Dennis Prager hosts a nationally syndicated radio talk show and is a visiting fellow at the Hoover Institution at Stanford University. He is the author of four books, most recently "Happiness Is a Serious Problem" (HarperCollins). His website is www.pragerradio.com.

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To: Sully- who wrote (31270)8/11/2009 12:16:45 PM
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"Conservatives, Shut Up and Step Aside"

Posted by David Limbaugh
August 10, 2009 06:59 PM

The hubris, arrogance and deceit of President Barack Obama and the Democratic leadership are breathtaking. In their maniacal frenzy to assume control over every aspect of our lives through socialized medicine, they are behaving like the thuggish autocrats they have proved themselves to be.

The jig is up on their designs, evidenced by the very contents of the health bill they're promoting. As increasing public awareness has translated into increasing grass-roots opposition to the bill, the Democrats have ratcheted up their bullying tactics and deceit.

Our self-styled bipartisan president is telling his critics to shut up, while his partners in crime, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her colleagues, are calling them un-American and Nazis.

Understand this:
The people who are showing up in droves with righteous anger befitting a body politic steeped in a unique liberty tradition are exercising the very type of bottom-up citizen protest and government watchdogging our Founding Fathers envisioned. They are not the artificially driven "AstroTurf" phonies the Democrats are depicting them to be. No, such activities are the province of Alinsky/Obama-type "street organizers" and union thugs enlisted by the administration to discredit these legitimate protests.

It wasn't enough for Pelosi to call us Nazis. She also co-wrote, with House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, an op-ed in USA Today calling us un-American and projecting her own nefarious tactics onto her opposition.

Pelosi and Hoyer accuse the protesters of engaging in "an ugly campaign ... not merely to misrepresent the health insurance reform legislation, but to disrupt public meetings and prevent members of Congress and constituents from conducting a civil dialogue."

They say: "The first fact is that health insurance reform will mean more patient choice. It will allow every American who likes his or her current plan to keep it. And it will free doctors and patients to make the health decisions that make the most sense, not the most profits for insurance companies."

How can these government propaganda ministers sleep at night? They are the ones misrepresenting the legislation and closing their meetings to genuine dissent.

In the first place, it is not "health insurance reform."
It is an effort to fundamentally transform the entire health care industry and how decisions are made. Their recent move to euphemize this monstrosity as "insurance reform" is part of their strategy to demonize insurance companies in their ruthless quest to shove this down our throats.

The bill would not allow Americans to keep their plans.
It would crowd out and eventually eliminate private care; enormously reduce choice, as well as the quantity and quality of care; and be a fiscal nightmare, as verified by Congressional Budget Office projections. Worst of all, it would further destroy our liberties.

And by Obama's own words, it would decrease doctors' prerogatives over the type of care they provide.
He admits he'd control doctors by making their "bundled payments" conditional on their meeting quality standards imposed by an omniscient, omnipotent government, not doctors and their patients.

Pelosi and Hoyer's most laughable claim is that their plan "will stand up to any and all critics."

If that's so, why don't they tell the truth about what's in the bill and truly answer legitimate questions and concerns about it instead of resorting to name-calling and intimidation? If that's so, why is Obama sending out his hired mouthpiece, Linda Douglass, to deny what Obama most clearly said? She protests that his statements promoting a single-payer system were taken out of context and then gives us absolutely no evidence they were. We are just supposed to disbelieve our lying eyes and ears.

It's also disingenuous to argue that in any event, Obama's earlier statements are irrelevant because he says he does not favor a single-payer system today and would protect our right to private care. Again, we have the bill itself, which would phase out private care -- mandatorily -- so the denials are self-evident lies.

Obama
isn't delegating all the dirty work to his surrogates. Our pseudo-cool leader himself has become conspicuously unglued. About opponents of his outlandishly reckless agenda, he said that he doesn't "want the folks who created the mess to do a lot of talking"; he wants "them just to get out of the way so (Democrats) can clean up the mess." He went on, "I don't mind cleaning up after them, but don't do a lot of talking."

He obviously thinks that he has the unilateral right as president, with 53 percent of the vote, to use our money to impoverish and enslave us and destroy our health care and that we have no right even to object. We only get to speak every two years.

Well, this president -- with a faux-messianic wind boomeranging in his face -- has now met his match: an increasingly informed, vigilant, politically engaged and liberty-loving citizenry. And none too soon.


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To: Sully- who wrote (31270)8/11/2009 1:19:45 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Patriotic Protest

By Jonah Goldberg
The Corner

Apparently from some of Nancy Pelosi's constituents. Of course, this was back in the days when dissent was the highest form of patriotism:

     

     

     

     
A protester displays her sentiments regarding Israel and the United States on June 5, 2004.

     
Banner at the February 16, 2003 rally.

     
Protester taking a break in the parade following the March 20, 2004 rally.

     

     
Rioters burning Bush in effigy and the American flag following the post-election rally on November 3, 2004

     

     

Lots and lots and lots more at Zombietime. Not all are family-friendly.

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To: Sully- who wrote (31270)8/11/2009 1:57:29 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Frustration Sets In

By Jonah Goldberg
The Corner

From a reader:

<<< Okay, so Nancy Pelosi has now put down in writing that voters protesting at Town Hall meetings are unAmerican. We just spent eight years with the President Bush repeating ad nauseam that protestors are engaging their right to free speech as Americans, and eight years of Nancy Pelosi screaming that dissent is the greatest form of patriotism, and eight years of Nancy Pelosi practically begging some elected Republican to call left-wing activists unAmerican (although to no avail).

And now, BANG--protesting is suddenly unpatriotic and unAmerican. WHAT IS THE POINT of arguing with the Pelosi-Obama left? Perhaps it shores up the troops on our own side; that's about all I can come up with. It sure isn't entertaining. The arguments are so infantile, it's as intellectually engaging as watching a three day marathon of The View. Watching Pelosi/Obama is a little like watching my dog battle the dog on the other side of the mirror, except my dog is pretty damn funny.

Doug

P.S. If I were in your shoes, stuff like this would make me sit back and think "hmm...maybe it's time for something new." >>>


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To: Sully- who wrote (31270)8/11/2009 2:08:50 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Linda Douglass Admits the White House is Breaking the Law

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To: Sully- who wrote (31270)8/11/2009 2:55:35 PM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
Boehner Slams Pelosi's "Un-American" Op-ed

Posted by John McCormack
The Weekly Standard blog

John Boehner has a statement on Nacy Pelosi and Steny Hoyer's op-ed calling rowdy protesters "un-American"

<<< “For months, House Democratic leaders have worked to silence any opposing views in this health care debate, both here in Washington and around the country where millions of Americans are struggling in this economy. Every poll taken in the last month shows that a majority of Americans are concerned about, if not outright opposed to, the Democrats’ plan because of the cost and consequences it would mean for their own health care. Each public forum should give every participant the opportunity to express their views, but to label Americans who are expressing vocal opposition to the Democrats’ plan “un-American” is outrageous and reprehensible.

“The American people deserve answers to basic questions about whether the Democrats’ plan will increase health care costs, add to the deficit, increase taxes on middle-class families and small businesses, put government between doctors and patients, force anyone to lose their current health coverage, kill jobs, promote taxpayer-funded abortion, or cut Medicare. The fact is Democrats have not been able to address the very real concerns the American people have.

“It’s time for Democrats to start listening.
When we return to Washington in September, Democrats should scrap their costly plan and finally work on bipartisan reforms that give Americans what they are seeking: better access to affordable care.” >>>

Mike Pence discussed Pelosi's op-ed with Megyn Kelly earlier today:

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To: Sully- who wrote (31270)8/11/2009 3:01:26 PM
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Pelosi Yanks ‘Un-American’ Slur, Uses ‘Guest Protesters’

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by Scott Ott for ScrappleFace

(2009-08-11) — After a gentle rebuke from the president, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-CA, said today she regrets using the term ‘un-American’ in Monday’s USA Today op-ed to describe protesters at health care reform townhall meetings held by Democrat lawmakers.

“The president is right,” said Rep. Pelosi, “They’re not un-American. The proper term might be ‘guest protesters’. But since they weren’t really invited to the townhalls, technically they’re ‘undocumented agitators’. However, they are entitled to all the rights and benefits of full American citizenship, including the right to free speech, the right to petition their government for the redress of grievances, and the right to sit down and be silent after your opponent wins the election.”

A White House spokesman responded to the op-ed which Rep. Pelosi co-wrote with House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-MD, by noting, “The President thinks that if people want to come and have a spirited debate about health care, a real vigorous conversation about it, that’s a part of the American tradition. And when all the shouting’s done, it’s good to know these folks will soon be able to get sore throat treatment for free, along with care for any wounds sustained during vigorous conversation with our patriotic labor union members.”

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To: Sully- who wrote (31270)8/11/2009 7:19:15 PM
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I Wonder . . .

By Jonah Goldberg
The Corner

If the Democratic press flack who ghost wrote the Pelosi-Hoyer "un-American" op-ed is keeping a low profile around the office this week. That's the amazing thing: that such a politically stupid line made it through various layers of professional scrutiny. I can only imagine how psyched the editors at USA Today were when they saw that in there. Shhhh don't say anything, they might take it out.

Oh: Sorry to disillusion anybody out there who thought Pelosi and Hoyer passed drafts of their oped back and forth like high-school students hammering out prose for the school paper.

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To: Sully- who wrote (31270)8/11/2009 7:39:57 PM
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"What if opponents of ObamaCare threw shoes at congressional backers of same? The left seemed to think that was an OK form of protest earlier this year!"

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To: Sully- who wrote (31270)8/13/2009 11:10:29 AM
From: Sully-  Respond to of 35834
 
More Astroturf

Posted by John
Power Line

Has this been widely reported outside the conservative b'sphere? President Obama bused supporters to his Portsmouth, N.H. health care townhall yesterday. Opponents showed up early in the morning and waited in the rain; supporters of government medicine were bused in and directed by a guy with a bullhorn. Here is a very short clip that includes a shot of Obamabots getting off the bus:

YouTube Video here

A longer report from a local TV station is here.

You really can't make this stuff up. The Democrats mutter darkly about opposition to their power grab being orchestrated by some sinister forces, when in fact it's just citizens showing up. But it's easy to see why, when they see large numbers of people opposing their plans, they think it must be Astroturf: if that many people were showing up on their side, it would be.


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