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Politics : The Obama - Clinton Disaster -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: GROUND ZERO™ who wrote (17224)	8/12/2009 6:54:47 AM
From: TideGlider	3 Recommendations Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 103300

Obama was being a skillful liar by making reference to "end of life counseling" being paid for by the plan and stating that is what led people to think there would be death panels. lol Good move Obama. You are correct. That part of the plan is rather benign. It is in the cost cutting measures in a different part of the plan that indicate quality of care for the elderly will suffer. Damn, it came from his own lips when he said maybe you don't need the operation and just take a pill. For instance, Obama said the Democratic health care legislation would not create "death panels" to deny care to frail seniors -- or "basically pull the plug on grandma because we decided that it's too expensive to let her live anymore," as the president put it. The provision he said had led to such talk would only authorize Medicare to pay doctors for counseling patients about end-of-life care if they want it, he contended.

To: GROUND ZERO™ who wrote (17224)	8/12/2009 11:16:17 AM
From: SGJ	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 103300

AARP is in the tank for the Dems. Just go to their website and you can see the support for the government takeover of healthcare. bulletin.aarp.org

To: GROUND ZERO™ who wrote (17224)	8/12/2009 2:44:34 PM
From: DuckTapeSunroof	Respond to of 103300

Yep!

To: GROUND ZERO™ who wrote (17224)	8/12/2009 2:46:16 PM
From: DuckTapeSunroof	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 103300

Grassley: Government Plan Threatens to ‘Pull the Plug on Grandma’ By Mike Lillis 8/12/09 12:56 PM washingtonindependent.com Jason Hancock of The Iowa Independent, TWI’s sister site, is traveling through the state today with Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa), whose position as the senior Republican on the Senate Finance Committee makes him one of Congress’s most influential voices on this year’s contentious debate over health care reform. Grassley is known as both a straight-shooter and a guy not prone to muck around in the swamps of petty politics. Which makes his statement today about the Democrats’ plans for health reform that much more remarkable. “In the House bill, there is counseling for end of life,” Grassley said. “You have every right to fear. You shouldn’t have counseling at the end of life, you should have done that 20 years before. Should not have a government run plan to decide when to pull the plug on grandma.” Of course the House bill doesn’t have any such thing. Rather, it would provide government help for people who choose, on their own accord, to seek counseling about late-in-life services like hospice care. The AARP has launched a campaign to debunk such myths, which have spread like wildfire across the town halls of the country in recent days. The group says the claim that the government will be in charge of these decisions is patently false: “Any decidsions regarding your health will continue to be made by you, your doctor and your family — not by the government.” But don’t take it from AARP. Sen. Johnny Isakson (R-Ga.), sponsor of legislation providing for Medicare coverage of option late-life services — legislation similar to the Democrats’ proposal — told The Washington Post this week that the idea that his proposal would somehow encourage government-sponsored euthanasia is “nuts.” –