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To: tejek who wrote (504460)8/13/2009 11:28:10 AM
From: i-node  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1575373
 
I want hard facts from a credible source and not from a winger rag like IBD.

Facts are facts. You can do the arithmetic yourself. However, before IBD ever mentioned it, I was posting here months ago that this was the case. Now, I understand why you don't want to take my word for it, but the reality is the NYT probably isn't going to tell you about this, because it doesn't comport with their objective of socialized medicine. And Obama sure as hell isn't going to tell you.

So, you have a choice of taking logically deduced figures from multiple sources who don't share your ideology, or just blindly believing sources that are obviously not objective in the matter. I have no doubt which you prefer. You never let the facts get in the way of a good argument.

Yes, these people love paying huge doctor bills and not getting their teeth fixed.

Which huge doctor bills are those? Every physician I do work for -- hundreds of them -- carries balances from people who can't pay. Typically, they even continue to see the patients. Yes, the patient may owe the doc a couple thousand dollars, but they're not going without "health care". We (taxpayers) fund county hospital deficits so these people can get care. But it is totally absurd to think these patients should be seen time and again and a record of their balances not even be kept.

I work with a surgeon who has been in practice for 25 years, a time during which his fees have been cut over and over again by Medicare and Medicaid. Yet, he continues to see these patients. This guy has literally 100s of accounts on his books where they ask for $5/month. If the patient can manage $5/month, they'll keep it out of collections. I just don't know how you get more accommodating than that.

Statistics don't lie.

Right. And we're presenting statistics and you got nothing but your pecker in your in your hand. Where are YOUR f*cking statistics?



To: tejek who wrote (504460)8/13/2009 11:48:46 AM
From: d[-_-]b3 Recommendations  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 1575373
 
I know that for simple people like yourself cartoons do the trick.

Most democrats get their news from Colbert and Stewart.



To: tejek who wrote (504460)8/13/2009 12:08:32 PM
From: jlallen2 Recommendations  Respond to of 1575373
 
Gawd...winger this and wingers that....

You are such a flucking moron! Get a grip man! Your ignorance and prejudice is stunning....



To: tejek who wrote (504460)8/13/2009 12:33:01 PM
From: jlallen1 Recommendation  Respond to of 1575373
 
Health Care Here And Over There

By INVESTOR'S BUSINESS DAILY
Wednesday, August 12, 2009

Reform: If the world's most famous physicist, Stephen Hawking, is a shining example of British health care, how is it that others in the U.K. are repeatedly denied critical care and medicine?

In commenting on efforts to overhaul American's health care system, we have tried to pull back the curtain and pay attention to those trying to clone the systems of Canada and Britain. But supporters of government-run health care frequently ignore some of the less-pleasant facts.

Much has been made of this statement in one of our Aug. 3 editorials: "People such as scientist Stephen Hawking wouldn't have a chance in the U.K. where the National Health Service would say the quality of life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless."

It was a bad example, and we have acknowledged that. To repeat the correction we ran shortly after the editorial ran: Hawking, who suffers from amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS), the progressive neurodegenerative disease often referred to as Lou Gehrig's Disease, is indeed a British subject.

We also say that not everyone suffering from a debilitating disease is Stephen Hawking, and we hope our critics would acknowledge that. Hawking is a renowned theoretical physicist, university professor and best-selling author. It is doubtful any National Health Service bureaucrat would cut him off.

Hawking, in response to a query from London's Guardian newspaper that was apparently prompted by our editorial, was quoted Tuesday as saying: "I wouldn't be here today if it were not for the NHS. I have received a large amount of high-quality treatment without which I would not have survived."

We accept this testimony and good fortune. We will note, however, that in talking about his disability on his own Web site, Hawking makes no mention of NHS and instead says that since 1985, when he had a tracheotomy, he has had "24-hour nursing care . . . made possible by several foundations."

Many other Britons may not be as fortunate, and we wonder how they might fare under similar circumstances in their later years. For example, many British women — whose breast cancer mortality rate is nearly twice that of American women — have been denied care in relative obscurity.

We suspect the concern in the U.K. (and the U.S.) over our editorial is similar to a diversionary tactic used here in the Colonies. When you don't want to talk about some of the realities of government-run medical care, you change the subject. You may call elderly town hall protestors a coached mob.

It's easy to ignore the fact that data from the Organization for Economic Cooperation & Development, hardly a right-wing organization, show that the U.K.'s heart-attack fatality rate is almost 20% higher than America's, and that angioplasties in Britain are only 21.3% as common as they are here.

Or it's easy to forget that in March, the U.K.'s National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence (NICE) ruled against the use of two drugs, Lapatinib and Sutent, that prolong the life of those with certain forms of breast and stomach cancer.

So it's no surprise to discover that while breast cancer in America has a 25% mortality rate, in Britain it's almost double at 46%. Prostate cancer is fatal to 19% of American men who get it; in Britain it kills 57% of those it strikes. We are not making this up.

Betsy McCaughey, former lieutenant governor of New York and an adjunct senior fellow at the Hudson Institute, wrote on Feb. 9 on Bloomberg.com that in 2006, a U.K-based board decreed that elderly patients with macular degeneration had to wait until they went blind in one eye before they could get a costly new drug to save the other eye. It took three years to get that outrageous decree reversed.

As National Review Online's Deroy Murdock points out, the Orwellian-named NICE just unveiled plans to cut annual steroid injections for severe back pain from 60,000 to 3,000.

"The consequences of the NICE decision will be devastating for thousands of patients," Dr. Jonathan Richardson of Bradford Hospitals Trust told London's Daily Telegraph. "It will mean more people on opiates, which are addictive and kill 2,000 a year. It will mean more people having spinal surgery, which is incredibly risky and has a 50% failure rate."

And here we thought the first rule of medicine was to do no harm.

According to Scott Atlas of the Hoover Institution, British patients wait about twice as long as Americans — sometimes more than a year — to see a specialist, have elective surgery such as hip replacement or get radiation treatment for cancer. In Britain, nearly 1.8 million people are waiting for a hospital admission or outpatient treatment.

The U.S. has 34 CT scanners per million citizens compared with eight in Britain. The U.S. has almost 27 MRI machines per million compared with about six per million in Britain. The mortality rate for colorectal cancer among British men and women is about 40% higher than in America.

David Gratzer, a physician and senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute, says the difference is that in the U.S., internists recommend that men 50 and older get screened for colon cancer. In the National Health Service in the U.K., screening begins at 75.

Avastin, a drug for advanced colon cancer, is prescribed more often in the U.S. than in the U.K., by some estimates as much as 10 times more.

As mentioned, British patients wait longer to see specialists. Gratzer notes that a clinical oncology study of British lung cancer treatment found that 20% "of potentially curable patients became incurable on the waiting list."

The problem may lie in the NHS' vast bureaucracy. As Daniel Hannan, a member of the European Parliament from southeast England, stated:

"We have 1.4 million people employed by the National Health Service. It is the third biggest employer in the world after the red army in China and the Indian National Railways. Most of those 1.4 million people are administrators, (and) managers outnumber the doctors and nurses."

We sincerely regret the mistake we made about Hawking. But our criticism of the government-run systems that operate in Britain and Canada, and which Congress seems determined to have us adopt with few questions asked, is still valid.

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