To: Gib Bogle who wrote (53532 ) 8/14/2009 1:38:55 AM From: Maurice Winn 1 Recommendation Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 218679 You stereotyping class warfare socialists are all the same Gib. You are assuming that there are classes who are set against each other in a zero sum game with the wealthy having to get it away from the masses and the masses having to get it away from the wealthy: <The main skill a politician needs today is the ability to convince the masses that he's on their side, while acting on behalf of the wealthy few. > You are right that many wealthy see the masses as sheep to fleece using the government as their enforcer, and hordes of the masses see the wealthy as those with the money who should spread it around and that it is obviously ill-gotten gains. In fact, both the wealthy and those starting out without any wealth can benefit from the same thing = the freedom to create and accumulate capital without spivs, bludgers, kleptocrats and bandits helping themselves to it. You are right that taking money out of the equation is a good idea, but the money to take out is OPM, aka taxpayer money, so that votes are not correlated with getting paws on OPM. Also the assets of the state should be converted to assets of the individual via tradable citizenship so that it's not an easy move for governments to simply grab the value of the state for themselves. It's easy to get people who will lead. <How will the US get leaders who can lead? > The problem is to get people who will follow. As you know, somebody is not a leader if they don't have a lot of people following. I'm willing to lead. We can start right now. You can follow. That was easy. Now, we just need a few more and we have a quorum. I hereby offer myself as the first World President. Now be a good chap and let the rest of the followers know to fall in behind. We'll start with a reconstitution of the UN. We can also prepare a constitution for member nations - we could start with NZ then copy/paste it for other countries. Mqurice